[p2p-research] Is peer production a real mode of production?

[Michel Bauwens]

Hi Kevin,

what I'm saying 'exactly', is that peer production to evolve from the
current seed form to full modality, needs to be able to socially reproduce
itself ..

I disagree with dmytri that it is only a distribution format, I do think
peer production 'produces', but, it can not a present socially reproduce
itself outside of capitalism,

doing that requires a convincing linkage between its immaterial and material
aspects,

as for kondratieff, I think that a half-wave is a possibility, but not
necessarily a successfull one,

the key question is, have we already attained the end game, or is there
still room for the system to wiggle, I think there is, and that new systems
rarely emerge before the old system has exhausted its wiggle room.

note that in my texts, I predict that the crisis point of the halfwave, is
actually the point where the endgame is reached, this puts me well in line
with other observers such as immanuel wallerstein and others

sam recenly posited 2030 as the start of converging crisis, this is likely
true, but it still would take time for them to play out and achieve the
setting of a full phase transition,

Michel

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Kevin Carson <
free.market.anticapitalist at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 7/18/10, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In the foundational essay on peer to peer, I call peer to peer a third
> mode of production (as well as a third mode of property and governance).
> >
> > The question is: is this correct?
> >
> > A mode of production classically is viewed as a combination of forces of
> production, how we extract value from nature (i.e. how exactly we produce
> what we need to live by transforming nature into human-usable products), and
> relations of production (how humans are organized in the sense of how is the
> surplus labour produced and distributed).
> >
> > How does ‘peer production’ stack up in this sense, especially in the
> context that it is not a dominant mode, but rather a seed form within the
> dominant capitalist mode?
> >
>
> > So, in peer production, how is value extracted from nature? The answer
> must be, it is not yet. At this stage, it is a process to create immaterial
> use value, where there is a self-aggregation of individuals around the
> creation of a common object or project.
> >
>
> So are you arguing that to qualify as a mode of production peer
> production must generate value, in the sense of exchange value or
> purchasing power?  This seems to tie in with your ideas on Kondratiev
> long waves and social structures of accumulation.  The thing is, I
> don't think there will *be* another Kondratiev long wave, in the sense
> of a new basic infrastructure which absorbs large amounts of
> investment capital and becomes the engine for generating monetized
> incomes for lots of people.  The main effect of the current wave of
> technological innovation is to destroy monetary value and to reduce
> the capital outlays required for production.  So whatever mode of
> production emerges on the other side, it will be one with much less
> monetized labor time and a lot more free stuff.
>
> --
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