[p2p-research] criticizing zeitgeist movement and venus project

[Michel Bauwens]

excellent additions!

On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Josef Davies-Coates <
lists at uniteddiversity.com> wrote:

> The Zeitgeist/ Venus Project stuff is the subject of a recent blog post by
> Mark "Moneyless Man" Boyle.
>
>
> http://www.justfortheloveofit.org/blog-3120~my-verdict-on-zeitgeist-and-the-venus-project
>
> From my perspective, what is good about the Zeitgeist movement is that it
> has made lots more people aware of the insane banking system.
>
> My take from Nov 2008 is here:
> http://uniteddiversity.com/zeitgeist-addendum/
>
> Josef.
>
>
>
>
> On 24 July 2010 05:36, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> thank you Robin,
>>
>> Eric Hunting had made a very similar analysis for us some months ago,
>>
>> Michel
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 4:13 AM, Robin <robokow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have been researching more about it this week and came to the
>>> conclusion that the Venus Project must be a joke. It actually comes very
>>> close to the novel Player Piano (
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_Piano) by Kurt Vonnegut.
>>>
>>> I wrote a bit about it on Sharewiki.org:
>>> http://sharewiki.org/en/Venus_Project
>>>
>>> Not sure this is worth a blog-post, as previously asked by Michel.
>>>
>>> Robin.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 07/21/2010 05:45 PM, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>>
>>> I have now read the material on the zeitgeist movement, and after reading
>>> them, must revise my positive impression,
>>>
>>> it's actually a cult with many of the negative characteristics associated
>>> with it, see
>>> http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/the-zeitgeist-movement/
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Robin <robokow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >  Dear list-members,
>>>> >
>>>> > From time to time I still meet people who advocate the Zeitgeist
>>>> movement
>>>> > and the Venus Project. I have criticism towards these projects but
>>>> never
>>>> > have had time or interest to dive deeply into it.
>>>> >
>>>> > I am however very surprised there is little to be found around the
>>>> web. Even
>>>> > in Wikipedia there isn't anything listed:
>>>> > https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/The_Zeitgeist_Movement(see
>>>> > the talk page for some stuff)
>>>> >
>>>> > The only thing I could find is a good critique off the usage of
>>>> conspiracy
>>>> > theories by zeitgeist.
>>>> > http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/ &
>>>> > http://conspiracyscience.com/blog/category/zeitgeist/
>>>> >
>>>> > My main concerns are:
>>>> > * Claims of holding "the truth" and "the solution"
>>>> > * Usage of conspiracy theories & heavy usage of propagandist style/
>>>> > techniques
>>>> > * Technical approach to solving problems
>>>> > * Relying on a statist approach, Top-down structured
>>>> > * Against free speech; Not thinking for yourself.
>>>> > * A militant like movement where members become warriors/ evangelists.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robin, these are good points. I have a feeling these approaches are
>>>> used because they are good ways to attract lots of people to
>>>> affiliate. The problem is that the actual reality of things can be
>>>> affected by the disinformation about them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > I was wondering if anyone has any good resources that can be used and
>>>> I
>>>> > would like to see also where this approach differs from a p2p
>>>> approach, and
>>>> > what it shares.
>>>> >
>>>> > I remember some discussions on the e-mail list but nothing really
>>>> coherent.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks.
>>>> >
>>>> > Robin.
>>>> >
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