[p2p-research] criticizing zeitgeist movement and venus project

[Josef Davies-Coates]

The Zeitgeist/ Venus Project stuff is the subject of a recent blog post by
Mark "Moneyless Man" Boyle.

http://www.justfortheloveofit.org/blog-3120~my-verdict-on-zeitgeist-and-the-venus-project

>From my perspective, what is good about the Zeitgeist movement is that it
has made lots more people aware of the insane banking system.

My take from Nov 2008 is here:
http://uniteddiversity.com/zeitgeist-addendum/

Josef.



On 24 July 2010 05:36, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:

> thank you Robin,
>
> Eric Hunting had made a very similar analysis for us some months ago,
>
> Michel
>
> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 4:13 AM, Robin <robokow at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have been researching more about it this week and came to the conclusion
>> that the Venus Project must be a joke. It actually comes very close to the
>> novel Player Piano (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_Piano) by Kurt
>> Vonnegut.
>>
>> I wrote a bit about it on Sharewiki.org:
>> http://sharewiki.org/en/Venus_Project
>>
>> Not sure this is worth a blog-post, as previously asked by Michel.
>>
>> Robin.
>>
>>
>> On 07/21/2010 05:45 PM, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>
>> I have now read the material on the zeitgeist movement, and after reading
>> them, must revise my positive impression,
>>
>> it's actually a cult with many of the negative characteristics associated
>> with it, see
>> http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/the-zeitgeist-movement/
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Robin <robokow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >  Dear list-members,
>>> >
>>> > From time to time I still meet people who advocate the Zeitgeist
>>> movement
>>> > and the Venus Project. I have criticism towards these projects but
>>> never
>>> > have had time or interest to dive deeply into it.
>>> >
>>> > I am however very surprised there is little to be found around the web.
>>> Even
>>> > in Wikipedia there isn't anything listed:
>>> > https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/The_Zeitgeist_Movement(see
>>> > the talk page for some stuff)
>>> >
>>> > The only thing I could find is a good critique off the usage of
>>> conspiracy
>>> > theories by zeitgeist.
>>> > http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/ &
>>> > http://conspiracyscience.com/blog/category/zeitgeist/
>>> >
>>> > My main concerns are:
>>> > * Claims of holding "the truth" and "the solution"
>>> > * Usage of conspiracy theories & heavy usage of propagandist style/
>>> > techniques
>>> > * Technical approach to solving problems
>>> > * Relying on a statist approach, Top-down structured
>>> > * Against free speech; Not thinking for yourself.
>>> > * A militant like movement where members become warriors/ evangelists.
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Robin, these are good points. I have a feeling these approaches are
>>> used because they are good ways to attract lots of people to
>>> affiliate. The problem is that the actual reality of things can be
>>> affected by the disinformation about them.
>>>
>>>
>>> > I was wondering if anyone has any good resources that can be used and I
>>> > would like to see also where this approach differs from a p2p approach,
>>> and
>>> > what it shares.
>>> >
>>> > I remember some discussions on the e-mail list but nothing really
>>> coherent.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks.
>>> >
>>> > Robin.
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