[p2p-research] criticizing zeitgeist movement and venus project

[Michel Bauwens]

thank you Robin,

Eric Hunting had made a very similar analysis for us some months ago,

Michel

On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 4:13 AM, Robin <robokow at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have been researching more about it this week and came to the conclusion
> that the Venus Project must be a joke. It actually comes very close to the
> novel Player Piano (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_Piano) by Kurt
> Vonnegut.
>
> I wrote a bit about it on Sharewiki.org:
> http://sharewiki.org/en/Venus_Project
>
> Not sure this is worth a blog-post, as previously asked by Michel.
>
> Robin.
>
>
> On 07/21/2010 05:45 PM, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>
> I have now read the material on the zeitgeist movement, and after reading
> them, must revise my positive impression,
>
> it's actually a cult with many of the negative characteristics associated
> with it, see http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/the-zeitgeist-movement/
>
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Robin <robokow at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >  Dear list-members,
>> >
>> > From time to time I still meet people who advocate the Zeitgeist
>> movement
>> > and the Venus Project. I have criticism towards these projects but never
>> > have had time or interest to dive deeply into it.
>> >
>> > I am however very surprised there is little to be found around the web.
>> Even
>> > in Wikipedia there isn't anything listed:
>> > https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/The_Zeitgeist_Movement(see
>> > the talk page for some stuff)
>> >
>> > The only thing I could find is a good critique off the usage of
>> conspiracy
>> > theories by zeitgeist.
>> > http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/ &
>> > http://conspiracyscience.com/blog/category/zeitgeist/
>> >
>> > My main concerns are:
>> > * Claims of holding "the truth" and "the solution"
>> > * Usage of conspiracy theories & heavy usage of propagandist style/
>> > techniques
>> > * Technical approach to solving problems
>> > * Relying on a statist approach, Top-down structured
>> > * Against free speech; Not thinking for yourself.
>> > * A militant like movement where members become warriors/ evangelists.
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> Robin, these are good points. I have a feeling these approaches are
>> used because they are good ways to attract lots of people to
>> affiliate. The problem is that the actual reality of things can be
>> affected by the disinformation about them.
>>
>>
>> > I was wondering if anyone has any good resources that can be used and I
>> > would like to see also where this approach differs from a p2p approach,
>> and
>> > what it shares.
>> >
>> > I remember some discussions on the e-mail list but nothing really
>> coherent.
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > Robin.
>> >
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