[p2p-research] criticizing zeitgeist movement and venus project

[Robin]

  I have been researching more about it this week and came to the 
conclusion that the Venus Project must be a joke. It actually comes very 
close to the novel Player Piano 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_Piano) by Kurt Vonnegut.

I wrote a bit about it on Sharewiki.org:
http://sharewiki.org/en/Venus_Project

Not sure this is worth a blog-post, as previously asked by Michel.

Robin.

On 07/21/2010 05:45 PM, Michel Bauwens wrote:
> I have now read the material on the zeitgeist movement, and after 
> reading them, must revise my positive impression,
> it's actually a cult with many of the negative characteristics 
> associated with it, see 
> http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/the-zeitgeist-movement/
>
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com 
> <mailto:samuel.rose at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Robin <robokow at gmail.com
>     <mailto:robokow at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     >  Dear list-members,
>     >
>     > From time to time I still meet people who advocate the Zeitgeist
>     movement
>     > and the Venus Project. I have criticism towards these projects
>     but never
>     > have had time or interest to dive deeply into it.
>     >
>     > I am however very surprised there is little to be found around
>     the web. Even
>     > in Wikipedia there isn't anything listed:
>     >
>     https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/The_Zeitgeist_Movement
>     (see
>     > the talk page for some stuff)
>     >
>     > The only thing I could find is a good critique off the usage of
>     conspiracy
>     > theories by zeitgeist.
>     > http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/ &
>     > http://conspiracyscience.com/blog/category/zeitgeist/
>     >
>     > My main concerns are:
>     > * Claims of holding "the truth" and "the solution"
>     > * Usage of conspiracy theories & heavy usage of propagandist style/
>     > techniques
>     > * Technical approach to solving problems
>     > * Relying on a statist approach, Top-down structured
>     > * Against free speech; Not thinking for yourself.
>     > * A militant like movement where members become warriors/
>     evangelists.
>     >
>
>
>
>     Robin, these are good points. I have a feeling these approaches are
>     used because they are good ways to attract lots of people to
>     affiliate. The problem is that the actual reality of things can be
>     affected by the disinformation about them.
>
>
>     > I was wondering if anyone has any good resources that can be
>     used and I
>     > would like to see also where this approach differs from a p2p
>     approach, and
>     > what it shares.
>     >
>     > I remember some discussions on the e-mail list but nothing
>     really coherent.
>     >
>     > Thanks.
>     >
>     > Robin.
>     >
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