[p2p-research] criticizing zeitgeist movement and venus project

[Michel Bauwens]

I have now read the material on the zeitgeist movement, and after reading
them, must revise my positive impression,

it's actually a cult with many of the negative characteristics associated
with it, see http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/the-zeitgeist-movement/

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Robin <robokow at gmail.com> wrote:
> >  Dear list-members,
> >
> > From time to time I still meet people who advocate the Zeitgeist movement
> > and the Venus Project. I have criticism towards these projects but never
> > have had time or interest to dive deeply into it.
> >
> > I am however very surprised there is little to be found around the web.
> Even
> > in Wikipedia there isn't anything listed:
> > https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/The_Zeitgeist_Movement(see
> > the talk page for some stuff)
> >
> > The only thing I could find is a good critique off the usage of
> conspiracy
> > theories by zeitgeist.
> > http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/ &
> > http://conspiracyscience.com/blog/category/zeitgeist/
> >
> > My main concerns are:
> > * Claims of holding "the truth" and "the solution"
> > * Usage of conspiracy theories & heavy usage of propagandist style/
> > techniques
> > * Technical approach to solving problems
> > * Relying on a statist approach, Top-down structured
> > * Against free speech; Not thinking for yourself.
> > * A militant like movement where members become warriors/ evangelists.
> >
>
>
>
> Robin, these are good points. I have a feeling these approaches are
> used because they are good ways to attract lots of people to
> affiliate. The problem is that the actual reality of things can be
> affected by the disinformation about them.
>
>
> > I was wondering if anyone has any good resources that can be used and I
> > would like to see also where this approach differs from a p2p approach,
> and
> > what it shares.
> >
> > I remember some discussions on the e-mail list but nothing really
> coherent.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Robin.
> >
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