[p2p-research] newsweek on The Creativity Crisis

Mon Jul 19 16:49:23 CEST 2010

I think it might also be approached another (but similar) way.  Those
studies have a very strong "class" bias i.e. they select for
individuals/skills that are usually associated with higher
incomes/opportunities... As the pyramid gets narrower at the top and broader
at the base then "average/mean" scores are going to go down for all similar
effects.

M

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On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 2:44 AM, Michael Gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi Michel,
>
> I haven't looked at the underlying studies here but the overall cause 
> could be a decline in funding for education which of course hits the 
> poor -- those without access to private schools or supplementary 
> educational support the hardest.  As the numbers of children living in 
> poverty increase (as they have fairly dramatically in the US under the 
> current neo-liberal/"capitalist" regime) and with a decline in birth 
> rates among the middle classes and up then this kind of decline (as 
> with comparable declines in Maths for example) is the "statistical" if 
> inevitable result.
>
> But as I said I haven't read the underling study and this isn't an 
> area that I have any deep knowledge in.
>

This could be right. I recall I believe it was Michel that pointed out on
this list a few months back that when the "cold war" ended in the US,
government funding for culture also dried up. The government funded culture
(public access television, arts, theatre, etc in
communities) as part of the "cold war"

quote:

examples:

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/10/17/051017crat_atlarge

(looking for other that are more objective)

> Best,
>
> Mike
>
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> Bauwens
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>
> Michael, and others,
>
> do you have any specific idea of why creativity started declining in 
> the 90's, and not before?
>
> seems to me that it is too late to blame TV for this, and to early to 
> blame the internet which only became in full usage in the late 90's
>
> changes in the school system?
>
> otherwise, of course, Ryan's comment that the death of creativity is 
> "good news for socialism", is baffling,
>
> first, because as you correctly point out, it occurred in the era of 
> neoliberal dominance, so following the policy prescriptions of the 
> free market ideology, secondly, because historically, socialism has 
> been about extending creativity for all .. while I think Stalinist 
> systems were counter-creative because of their enforced collectivism 
> under the umbrella of a bureaucratic state, the historical record of 
> social-democracy in extending aphabetisation, schooling, and creative 
> education for all, has no parallel ... it stands as a major 
> achievement of humanity ...
>
> who could consider scandinavian states as non-creative? they have a 
> very strong record of technological innovation, and unlike Silicon 
> Valley, they do not achieve this by a brain drain from the rest of the 
> world, but by internal dynamics,
>
> Michel
>
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 2:20 AM, Michael Gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Your "capitalist" crew (Bush and co.) have been running the show for 
>> the last ten years, what are you complaining about. You are getting 
>> what you are
>> (not) paying for...
>>
>> M
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>> Lanham
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>> Couldn't agree more with the article...we've seen it too.  Good news 
>> for socialism.  Not very good news for humanity. R.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Michel Bauwens 
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