[p2p-research] chavez continues to destroy Venezuela: Poverty in Venezuela fell from 70% in 1996 to 23% in 2009

[Joss Winn]

On 19/07/10 07:20, Michel Bauwens wrote:
> as far as I understand it, Chavez measures were not just redistributive
> handouts, but structural reforms in many areas, such as massive
> alphabetisation, etc ...
>  
> do you have some data on this current schrinkage, which was 3.3% in 2009?
>  
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A favourable report came out last year which might be helpful. Only read
the Press Release myself...

http://www.cepr.net/index.php/press-releases/press-releases/report-examines-economy-and-social-indicators-during-the-chavez-decade-in-venezuela/


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> On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com
> <mailto:rlanham1963 at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>     >From my perspective, things look mostly bad...and getting far
>     worse.  The economy of Venezuela is shrinking at the fastest rate in
>     the New World, for instance.  There is no history (ever) of such
>     shrinkage leading to positive outcomes, so if Chavez is not thinking
>     about GDP, I pity his countrymen.  Production of nearly everything
>     but oil and gas is completely collapsing.  Oil and gas are merely
>     falling.  Inflation is 30% there.  Corruption (read any article on
>     the Boligarchs) is very high.  
> 
>     Has the government given large sums to the poor?  Yes.  If poverty
>     reduction = redistribution (some would call it vote buying), Chavez
>     is a genius.  Unfortunately, years and years of experience show such
>     redistributions are, at best, a one time shot and need to be done
>     with careful incentives for sound investments in health, education
>     and social mobility if they are to work.  At worst, they are society
>     destroying when the rich and valuable merely leave--which has
>     happened dramatically in V.  It is hard to piss away oil wealth of
>     the level his nation has, but he's doing a marvelous job of trying,
>     it seems.  Some would say giving it to the poor is better than
>     building skyscrapers in Dubai.  As I have said, any bad machine is a
>     bad machine...
> 
>     Oliver Stone is making a movie about Chavez that turns him into a
>     hero.  The debate will be well-joined by lots of informed folks this
>     year.  I look forward to it.  If he's doing anything worthwhile,
>     centrist reviewers with minimal stakes in ideology will sort it out.  
> 
>     R.  
> 
>     On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Michel Bauwens
>     <michelsub2004 at gmail.com <mailto:michelsub2004 at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>         Poverty in Venezuela fell from 70% in 1996 to 23% in 2009 ( 2)
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>         By Special Report with Editorial Comment by Arturo Rosales
>         Venezuelan National Statistics Office
>         Friday, Mar 5, 2010
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>         http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_58770.shtml
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>         *Editorial comment by Arturo Rosales*: The basic information
>         outlined below is what readers abroad will rarely see in the
>         corporate media. From the BBC to CNN, FOX and the floundering
>         big city newspapers. If such media ever did publish this
>         information it would be an admission that Chávez’ economic
>         policies are working for the vast majority of the almost now 29
>         million Venezuelans. The corporate media will concentrate on GDP
>         declines or growth(see second article below) as being the
>         yardstick by which to measure “economic success”. President
>         Chávez, however, says that GDP figures do not interest him. He
>         is interested in the decline in poverty, unemployment and
>         inequality and these are the measures which the Bolivarian
>         Government strives to improve and are seen from 1996 through 2009.
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