[p2p-research] chavez continues to destroy Venezuela: Poverty in Venezuela fell from 70% in 1996 to 23% in 2009

[Michel Bauwens]

as far as I understand it, Chavez measures were not just redistributive
handouts, but structural reforms in many areas, such as massive
alphabetisation, etc ...

do you have some data on this current schrinkage, which was 3.3% in 2009?




On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:

> >From my perspective, things look mostly bad...and getting far worse.  The
> economy of Venezuela is shrinking at the fastest rate in the New World, for
> instance.  There is no history (ever) of such shrinkage leading to positive
> outcomes, so if Chavez is not thinking about GDP, I pity his countrymen.
>  Production of nearly everything but oil and gas is completely collapsing.
>  Oil and gas are merely falling.  Inflation is 30% there.  Corruption (read
> any article on the Boligarchs) is very high.
>
> Has the government given large sums to the poor?  Yes.  If poverty
> reduction = redistribution (some would call it vote buying), Chavez is a
> genius.  Unfortunately, years and years of experience show such
> redistributions are, at best, a one time shot and need to be done with
> careful incentives for sound investments in health, education and social
> mobility if they are to work.  At worst, they are society destroying when
> the rich and valuable merely leave--which has happened dramatically in V.
>  It is hard to piss away oil wealth of the level his nation has, but he's
> doing a marvelous job of trying, it seems.  Some would say giving it to the
> poor is better than building skyscrapers in Dubai.  As I have said, any bad
> machine is a bad machine...
>
> Oliver Stone is making a movie about Chavez that turns him into a hero.
>  The debate will be well-joined by lots of informed folks this year.  I look
> forward to it.  If he's doing anything worthwhile, centrist reviewers with
> minimal stakes in ideology will sort it out.
>
> R.
>
>   On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Michel Bauwens <
> michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>   Poverty in Venezuela fell from 70% in 1996 to 23% in 2009 ( 2) [image:
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>> By Special Report with Editorial Comment by Arturo Rosales
>> Venezuelan National Statistics Office
>> Friday, Mar 5, 2010
>>
>> http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_58770.shtml
>>
>>  *Editorial comment by Arturo Rosales*: The basic information outlined
>> below is what readers abroad will rarely see in the corporate media. From
>> the BBC to CNN, FOX and the floundering big city newspapers. If such media
>> ever did publish this information it would be an admission that Chávez’
>> economic policies are working for the vast majority of the almost now 29
>> million Venezuelans. The corporate media will concentrate on GDP declines or
>> growth(see second article below) as being the yardstick by which to measure
>> “economic success”. President Chávez, however, says that GDP figures do not
>> interest him. He is interested in the decline in poverty, unemployment and
>> inequality and these are the measures which the Bolivarian Government
>> strives to improve and are seen from 1996 through 2009.
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