[p2p-research] more problems with the wiki ...

Sat Jul 17 16:28:22 CEST 2010

I don't necessarily think it clouds the issue to adhere to some basic
principles:

- do not edit the wiki in such a way that you impede the freedom of others

- do  not create additional technical barriers to participation and do not
require participants to read manuals in order to be able to cooperate

- honour the distinctions between code and text, and the nuances between
different concepts

- in case someone has problems with some problematic edits, do not tell them
to read the f ..ing manual, but be friendly and responsive

In this particular context, I have no problems whatsoever with the creation
of a second layer of the wiki with positivist and experimental content, BUT
I do not want this new layer to expel and replace the four years of work
that have gone in the creation of the first empirical/emergent and
conceptual layer ...

When I point out some issues when both layers are in conflict, because the
second intends to take away the freedom to continue to develop the first,  I
do not appreciate defensive and dismissive responses that amount to a "go
f.. yourself, I'm the boss now". I want a little respect for the elders who
have done an enormous amount of work to make this happen, and do not
appreciate an authoritarian barging in ..

I"m at p2pfound1 in Skype, but mostly unavailable on sundays ...

On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 9:04 PM, james burke <lifesized at gmail.com> wrote:

> I suggest michel, alex, that you have skype discussion to work this one
> out.
> Mailing back and forth i fear will only cloud issues. It can't be that hard
> to figure out
> a way to create something together.
>
> /J
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Dear Alex,
>>
>> I must again witness the use of redirects which make the editing of
>> individual pages impossible,
>>
>> needless to say I don't agree that one person takes over multiple entries
>> this way ...
>>
>> I copy the example below so that people can see what I'm talking about,
>>
>> related concepts like commnal ownership, common ownership, common resource
>> have different technical meanings and obviously I want to honour those
>> different meanings,
>>
>> in this case, if you want to alert people to another concept that is
>> related, a see also reference is most approproriate,
>>
>> since I don't feel your responsive to my concerns,
>>
>> I propose the following,
>>
>> - in case of abusive redirects, I will create a new page, with 2 behind,
>> so that it is still searchable independently, it's crazy that I have to do
>> this, but since I want to avoid to and fro edit wars, I see no other
>> possiblity,
>>
>> - I will systematically block all the new pages I create from now on,
>> needless to say I'm extremely saddened that I have to do this, but I see no
>> other solution ..
>>
>> here is my feeling:
>>
>>  - there is a house where people have lived a few years, it's not perfect,
>> but not a mess either, as the people are diligent in organizing their space;
>> they happen to like to use organic detergent for the dishwashing ... a guest
>> shows up, and says, oh my god, you are using organic detergent, you are mad,
>> here is a much more efficient chemical formula, henceforth you will use
>> this, and I'll throw away your organic detergent so you can't use it anymore
>> ...
>>
>> I think it is obvious that the people in the house won't be happy with
>> this new state of affairs ...
>>
>> Let me state this clearly: LANGUAGE IS A COMMONS, and no individual owns
>> concepts and can lock them away under exclusive control, please refrain from
>> such redirects ...
>>
>> I must again also state that before you started cooperating, I could
>> always simply solve matters by friendly letters and asking people to undo a
>> redirect, and the matter was always solved without having to go on a
>> warhorse, but I frankly, given my experience with our previous exchange, see
>> no other solution ...
>>
>> I hope that one day you will again respect the work of other intensive
>> users and not impose your solutions on them, and just respond to request
>> instead of holding on to your personal views ..
>>
>> I give you full freedom to write up common resource, but please do not
>> take away my freedom to edit the entry on communal ownership ..
>>
>>
>>
>> EXAMPLE
>>
>>
>>    -
>>
>>   Communal Ownership<http://p2pfoundation.net/?title=Communal_Ownership&diff=41133&oldid=prev>
>>
>> By GoodRollin
>>
>>   Redirected page to Common Resource<http://p2pfoundation.net/Common_Resource>
>>
>>
>>    - Comments <http://p2pfoundation.net/Talk:Communal_Ownership>
>>
>>
>>    - Keep New:
>>    - Posted on: Sat, Jul 17 2010 5:26 AM
>>    - Email This
>>    - Clip/Blog This
>>
>>   Common Ownership<http://p2pfoundation.net/?title=Common_Ownership&diff=41132&oldid=prev>
>>
>> By GoodRollin
>>
>>   Redirected page to Common Resource<http://p2pfoundation.net/Common_Resource>
>>
>>
>>    - Comments <http://p2pfoundation.net/Talk:Common_Ownership>
>>
>>
>>    - Keep New:
>>    - Posted on: Sat, Jul 17 2010 5:25 AM
>>    - Email This
>>    - Clip/Blog This
>>
>>   Common Resource<http://p2pfoundation.net/?title=Common_Resource&diff=41131&oldid=prev>
>>
>> By GoodRollin
>>
>>
>>    - Comments <http://p2pfoundation.net/Talk:Common_Resource>
>>
>>
>>    - Keep New:
>>    - Posted on: Sat, Jul 17 2010 5:24 AM
>>    - Email This
>>    - Clip/Blog This
>>
>>   Common Resources in a P2P Network<http://p2pfoundation.net/?title=Common_Resources_in_a_P2P_Network&diff=41130&oldid=prev>
>>
>> By GoodRollin
>>
>>   Redirected page to Common Resource<http://p2pfoundation.net/Common_Resource>
>>
>>
>>    - Comments<http://p2pfoundation.net/Talk:Common_Resources_in_a_P2P_Network>
>>
>>
>>
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