[p2p-research] P2P Foundation page Category:Commons has been changed by Mbauwens

Fri Jul 16 17:12:00 CEST 2010

no pages are my pages ...

but special care should be taken with the integrity of category intro pages,
which are built over a long time

again to repeat, I have nothing against transclusions, but they should not
be obligatory and decontextualized ..

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:08 PM, Alex Rollin <alex.rollin at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is every page your page?  Surely not.  So, you preclude the use of
> anything you don't understand on every page you might touch?  That's
> ridiculous and you know it.  It's not even your writing we are talking
> about, but a contribution from another user that I spoke to about the
> changes.  Your argument is fallacious.
>
> A
>
> On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > sorry alex,
> >
> > but if one of you had simply said, we edited that page back, the
> discussion
> > would not arisen ...
> >
> > I check wiki edits once a day in bloglines, today especially twice, and
> have
> > not seen the un-redirects of those pages,
> >
> > as for the transclusion, again, since you only did it for one section
> where
> > it did not show a dysfunctionality in the new version, I just let it
> there,
> >
> > but the general principle remains, are features freedoms and
> opportunities,
> > or imposed technocratic solutions which take more time and energy, and
> > exclude non-geeks from more participation ...
> >
> > you think it "not a concern", but as you can witness, it is clearly a
> > concern to me if you impose me to check on manuals to do simple edits in
> a
> > page, so again: it IS a concern, not if it is free, but when it is
> > obligatory,
> >
> > especially, I don't know why anyone in a p2p wiki would have the sole
> power
> > to impose the use of a particular technique, without discussion, we have
> > norms and rules concerning civility, a requirement concerning the quality
> of
> > content, but so far, no obliged technical rules,
> >
> > again, I'm against imposing these unilaterally they should just be
> options
> > that people can use or not,
> >
> > those that like manuals, by all means check them out and improve the wiki
> > with superior technical wizardry, but do not change the content so that
> > changes start requiring knowledge of that wizardry,
> >
> > this seems common sense to me ...
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Alex Rollin <alex.rollin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Michel Bauwens <
> michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > when an entry page is forced into a loop in a category page, no
> editing
> >> > whatsoever is possible ...
> >>
> >> This is patently not true Michel.   That page was edited.  Case
> >> closed.  It is a non-optimal practice anyways, and was willingly
> >> changed by Patrick once he saw the situation.  No one is defending the
> >> practice, merely explaining why it was attempted and how to fix it.
> >> You are the one interpreting as otherwise.
> >>
> >> As far as the Greyson material goes, on the edits I was correcting,
> >> when I first inserted the template, the text, except for the section
> >> headings was the same.  You can check the edit history if you like.
> >> You are over reacting about imposition.  I decided how to handle it.
> >> I fixed it for you.  I showed you how to fix it.  You can do it next
> >> time if you want to.  You can change it back.  I could edit it again.
> >> It's a wiki, you know?  The point is I'm not trying to 'NOT' put what
> >> you want on the Category page; I'm just doing it a little differently.
> >>  And contextually...more contextually, if you ask me.
> >>
> >> This practice of transclusion works for what is intended, even in this
> >> flare up as you struggle to understand how to use the new technology.
> >> I do defend the practice.  You will see more of it, in addition to the
> >> several examples I have sent to you in the last week.  Transclusion is
> >> useful.  If you read the LST and P2PStack Architecture document you
> >> will see that I even wrote down how contextual quotes are handled, as
> >> separate sections.  I didn't invent this.  The basic functionality
> >> comes with Mediawiki.  I think that means it is, you know, a wiki
> >> function.
> >>
> >> Here's a use case.  If you are writing something "about" James
> >> Greyson's 7 Switches, don't you think it would be neat if, since he
> >> only watches 2 pages, his user page and the 7 Switches page, that you
> >> could write your contextual piece "7 Switches and P2P Policy" within
> >> 'his' 7 Switches page?  Then he gets notified, can correct it, and
> >> work with you.  It's super cool, and better than the way you do it.
> >> All the 7 Switches stuff is all in one place, but can be used
> >> anywhere.  That's why it works.  I know a user has to learn a few new
> >> tags to use it, but, so what, not everyone is writing gigantic pages
> >> like us, so it just doesn't effect that many people, and really isn't
> >> a concern.
> >>
> >> A
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