[p2p-research] problems with the wiki

[Michel Bauwens]

again, I have nothing against transclusions 'as such', but if they are
problematic for the integrity and diversity of pages of categories I would
move them,

I suppose you are saying that you are preparing for edit wars and endless
revisions a la bush-gore wars in the wikipedia ...

sorry if I do not find this constructive, and a bad use of time,

I have another more elegant solution, why don't you create a
p2pfoundation.com, where you can put all the positivistic content (which I
applaud and appreciate), but also try out the various technocratic solutions
and widgets, so that people can try and experiment with them, no quesitons
asked ... once they are working well there, you can homeopathically
introduce them, but not impose them, in the main wiki?

It would really be a shame to waste time in edit wars ...

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Alex Rollin <alex.rollin at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Alex,
> >
> > I'm only defensive, because, instead of just listening to users and
> authors
> > of the wiki, you want to impose your solutions, which may be appropriate
> for
> > some users, not for others.
>
> These are not dictatorial solutions.  I do listen.  I talked to the
> guy who wrote the content in question that you copied. You are being
> inflammatory in addition to being defensive.
>
> > I have to be clear in defending the integrity of the content, because,
> from
> > experience, you do not "hear" easily otherwise,
>
> You are wrong.  I do hear.  You do not always listen or make clear
> requests.  You have options.  I do not always do what people tell me.
>
> > you do not have to ask permission, but you can't impose ...
>
> I do not impose, but I do edit, just like you.
>
> > I tried to edit the public property page, and could not, so I ask patrick
> to
> > undo it, it's not complicated
>
> Ask a question next time, maybe? instead of ... you know... freaking
> out, maybe?  Please?
>
> > same in the case of the transclusion, I don't want to use this
> transclusion
> > in a particular category, you re-instate and want to impose it, and even
> > announce a vision of the wiki  that I find horrifying ... a vision which
> you
> > have never discussed with anybody.
>
> I can edit the category like other users, yes.  I will probably do it
> again, too.
>
> > I didn't insult anybody, nor made any personal attacks, read again, but
> > faced with defensiveness and a restriction of the freedom to edit, I had
> to
> > push back,
>
> Ah, but you could not judge that all by yourself, though, could you?
> What do you consider hyperbole, anyways?  Or unchecked assumptions?
>
> > I did not see any phrase in the previous correspondence where you offered
> to
> > repair or make good, only defenses that your solution was the proper one,
> > that I should follow it, and in case of problems, spent time with the
> manual
>
> I did undo the edits in a way that reflected your wishes as to what
> content appeared on the page and informed you by email.  Don't be a
> pill and make me produce the thread.  Besides, you can see the fix in
> the edits on the wiki.  Plus I wrote extensive documentation on how
> the solution works and sent you 3 emails last week and this week
> asking you to review the protocol.  Don't even try it...
>
> A
>



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