[p2p-research] [Open Manufacturing] Re: Non-scarce energy production: I need your help

Alex Rollin alex.rollin at gmail.com
Wed Jul 14 11:59:44 CEST 2010 

On the same note, do you already have a focus on who, or what
requirements you have, for someone trying to using the patents?

A

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:54 AM,  <hexayurt at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Oi. I've been through a lot of these issues with the Hexayurt Project and it is *difficult* territory.
>
> One question: what is the expected need for capital to make this work? Millions, tens of millions or hundreds of millions of dolllars?
>
> How much R&D still has to be done?
>
> Vinay
>
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> From: magius <gmagius at gmail.com>
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> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 10:24:36
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> Cc: p2p research network<p2presearch at listcultures.org>; carolina botero<carobotero at gmail.com>; Chris Watkins<chriswaterguy at appropedia.org>; Julio Lambing<julio.lambing at e5.org>; chris cook<cojock at hotmail.com>; Vinay Gupta<hexayurt at gmail.com>; David E. Martin<dem at m-cam.com>; Smári McCarthy<smari at fabfolk.com>; Sepp Hasslberger<sepp at lastrega.com>
> Subject: Re: [Open Manufacturing] Re: [p2p-research] Non-scarce energy
>        production: I need your help
>
> Let me try to describe our goals. We wish to spread a fast adoption of
> Kitegen technology, so we think we need to adopt a flexible patents'
> management. We need the patents' attribution will be preserved but we
> think that royalties management could be flexible and adapted to
> industy engineering. A possible starting model could be the Open
> Patent Alliance (http://www.openpatentalliance.com) created by
> Samsung, Intel and Cisco to spread the WiMax technology. But we could
> go forward. The patents' owner is interested also to contribute with
> these assets as intellectual capital to create a Foundation that will
> act as commons' based enterprise. But we need to transform these ideas
> in a business model that works.
>
> Marco Giustini
>
> 2010/7/14 Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>:
>> so magius,
>>
>> who is who:
>>
>> carolina is an IP lawyer from columbia, chris is from appropedia, the
>> wikipedia of appropriate technology initiatives, july is from e5 and
>> co-author of an important report on technology transfer mechanisms, vinay is
>> from global swadeshi, david created a open patent commons for the world
>> bank, smari is the afghan chickenwire meshwork person and now world famous
>> with the icelandic immi initiative, sepp has been following energy projects
>> ... the open knowledge foundation has many open data projects and works on a
>> open hardware licence, chris cook has good ideas for collective financing
>> methods
>>
>> I copy the open manufacturing list for possible further assistance,
>>
>> Michel
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 1:32 PM, magius <gmagius at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 2010/7/14 Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>:
>>> > Hi Marco,
>>> >
>>> > without being able to judge on the feasibility of your project (I'm
>>> > rather
>>> > sceptic of free energy projects and limit my faith to renewables, but I
>>> > may
>>> > have misunderstood the point about non-scarce energy supply),
>>>
>>> The Kitegen project has nothing to do with "free energy" projects as
>>> intended somewhere. Basicly the system works using kites to capture
>>> high altitude winds' energy and transform it in electricity. It's a
>>> project working on strong scientific assumptions developped in
>>> collaboration with Politecnico di Torino, an high accademic italian
>>> center and also funded by European Community (the vessels' branch). A
>>> similar system abroad is funded by Google. It's a "real" non-scarce
>>> energy supply, cause the high altitude winds could provide energy for
>>> about 2,000 TeraWatt when actual need of all mankind is about 14
>>> TeraWatt!
>>>
>>> The Kitegen project could be one of many similar projects you'll find
>>> worldwide. The strong diversity is their inventors approach. The
>>> Kitegen is intended as a possibile tool to give universal distributed
>>> access to electricity and, through it, to democracy. In that article
>>> of  Kitegen english website is better explained the vision:
>>> http://www.kitegen.com/en/
>>>
>>> > and witout the technical skills to help you, I'm cc'ing a few people who
>>> > I think are
>>> > more familiar with patent commons ...
>>> >
>>> > Don't hesitate to write them separately with more details on your
>>> > project,
>>> > they may want to have a shot at giving you some suggestions ..
>>> >
>>> > You may also want to check out the Open Knowledge Foundation,
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot for your help, Michael. I hope someone could be
>>> interested in this project.
>>>
>>> Marco Giustini
>>>
>>> > Michel
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:18 AM, magius <gmagius at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> In Italy I'm involved as supporter in a project related to not-scarce
>>> >> renewable energy production. This project is called (Kitegen
>>> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitegen). Actually we're trying with lots
>>> >> of difficulties to start the first onsite Kitegen (Kitegen Stem) in
>>> >> the northern Italy.
>>> >>
>>> >> But the reason why I'm writing here is not technical.
>>> >>
>>> >> The tecnology behind Kitegen is worldwide patented and he the
>>> >> inventor, Mr. Ippolito, refused to sell patents to energy
>>> >> multinationals, because he believes that Kitegen could be a tool to
>>> >> produce not-scarce energy to free people.
>>> >>
>>> >> He's aware of attempts to extend the free-software paradigm in the
>>> >> real world and he could be  interested to eventually give his patents
>>> >> to a collective entity (i.e. a no-profit foundation), if it will work
>>> >> to spread widely his technology, balancing profit with commons'
>>> >> interest.
>>> >>
>>> >> We created in Italy a public company to support the project that
>>> >> collected from people  1 million euro, but is not enough. We need
>>> >> more.
>>> >>
>>> >> We wish to build something really new, a free (free as in free beer!)
>>> >> enterprise, commons-based, working on crowdsourcing.
>>> >>
>>> >> Could you help us to implement a model like this?
>>> >>
>>> >> Marco "magius" Giustini
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