[p2p-research] Non-scarce energy production: I need your help

Wed Jul 14 11:46:05 CEST 2010

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:27 PM, carolina botero <carobotero at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello to all!
> It all sounds great!!  I am learning a lot just by readiing this few emails
> As for possible legal approachs I believe the models I could think of were
> already mentioned (like the openpatentallance) and really legal solutions
> will depend on the business model adopted, as magius said.
> If the project is linked to Politecnico di Torino you might want to talk to
> Juan Carlos de Martin, he is professor and CC leader in that house, he might
> have good ideas for your project and with the legal italian basis.
> Best luck!!
> carolina
>
>
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> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:14 AM, chris cook <cojock at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Michel
>>
>> You'll know that with a  background as director of a global energy
>> exchange it is the transition to renewables which is one of my principal
>> interests and areas of expertise.
>>
>> Post credit crunch I am getting great interest in the simple but radical
>> new approach to legal and financial structures which I have developed (with
>> seed funding from Innovation Norway).
>>
>> This presentation to the Scottish Energy Institute sets out a new  'Energy
>> Pool' approach to funding renewables (megawatts) and energy savings
>> (negawatts) projects.
>>
>>
>> http://www.slideshare.net/ChrisJCook/energy-pools-scottish-energy-institute-11-11-2009
>>
>> and you may publish it if you think fit.
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:00:05 +0700
>> Subject: Re: [p2p-research] Non-scarce energy production: I need your help
>> From: michelsub2004 at gmail.com
>> To: p2presearch at listcultures.org; openmanufacturing at googlegroups.com
>> CC: carobotero at gmail.com; chriswaterguy at appropedia.org;
>> julio.lambing at e5.org; cojock at hotmail.com; hexayurt at gmail.com;
>> dem at m-cam.com; smari at fabfolk.com; sepp at lastrega.com
>>
>>
>> so magius,
>>
>> who is who:
>>
>> carolina is an IP lawyer from columbia, chris is from appropedia, the
>> wikipedia of appropriate technology initiatives, july is from e5 and
>> co-author of an important report on technology transfer mechanisms, vinay is
>> from global swadeshi, david created a open patent commons for the world
>> bank, smari is the afghan chickenwire meshwork person and now world famous
>> with the icelandic immi initiative, sepp has been following energy projects
>> ... the open knowledge foundation has many open data projects and works on a
>> open hardware licence, chris cook has good ideas for collective financing
>> methods
>>
>> I copy the open manufacturing list for possible further assistance,
>>
>> Michel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 1:32 PM, magius <gmagius at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 2010/7/14 Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>:
>> > Hi Marco,
>> >
>> > without being able to judge on the feasibility of your project (I'm
>> rather
>> > sceptic of free energy projects and limit my faith to renewables, but I
>> may
>> > have misunderstood the point about non-scarce energy supply),
>>
>> The Kitegen project has nothing to do with "free energy" projects as
>> intended somewhere. Basicly the system works using kites to capture
>> high altitude winds' energy and transform it in electricity. It's a
>> project working on strong scientific assumptions developped in
>> collaboration with Politecnico di Torino, an high accademic italian
>> center and also funded by European Community (the vessels' branch). A
>> similar system abroad is funded by Google. It's a "real" non-scarce
>> energy supply, cause the high altitude winds could provide energy for
>> about 2,000 TeraWatt when actual need of all mankind is about 14
>> TeraWatt!
>>
>> The Kitegen project could be one of many similar projects you'll find
>> worldwide. The strong diversity is their inventors approach. The
>> Kitegen is intended as a possibile tool to give universal distributed
>> access to electricity and, through it, to democracy. In that article
>> of  Kitegen english website is better explained the vision:
>> http://www.kitegen.com/en/
>>
>> > and witout the technical skills to help you, I'm cc'ing a few people who
>> I think are
>> > more familiar with patent commons ...
>> >
>> > Don't hesitate to write them separately with more details on your
>> project,
>> > they may want to have a shot at giving you some suggestions ..
>> >
>> > You may also want to check out the Open Knowledge Foundation,
>>
>> Thanks a lot for your help, Michael. I hope someone could be
>> interested in this project.
>>
>> Marco Giustini
>>
>> > Michel
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:18 AM, magius <gmagius at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In Italy I'm involved as supporter in a project related to not-scarce
>> >> renewable energy production. This project is called (Kitegen
>> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitegen). Actually we're trying with lots
>> >> of difficulties to start the first onsite Kitegen (Kitegen Stem) in
>> >> the northern Italy.
>> >>
>> >> But the reason why I'm writing here is not technical.
>> >>
>> >> The tecnology behind Kitegen is worldwide patented and he the
>> >> inventor, Mr. Ippolito, refused to sell patents to energy
>> >> multinationals, because he believes that Kitegen could be a tool to
>> >> produce not-scarce energy to free people.
>> >>
>> >> He's aware of attempts to extend the free-software paradigm in the
>> >> real world and he could be  interested to eventually give his patents
>> >> to a collective entity (i.e. a no-profit foundation), if it will work
>> >> to spread widely his technology, balancing profit with commons'
>> >> interest.
>> >>
>> >> We created in Italy a public company to support the project that
>> >> collected from people  1 million euro, but is not enough. We need
>> >> more.
>> >>
>> >> We wish to build something really new, a free (free as in free beer!)
>> >> enterprise, commons-based, working on crowdsourcing.
>> >>
>> >> Could you help us to implement a model like this?
>> >>
>> >> Marco "magius" Giustini
>> >>
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