[p2p-research] Non-scarce energy production: I need your help

Wed Jul 14 11:45:28 CEST 2010

thank you chris, I hope this will be useful to Kitegen,

Michel

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:14 PM, chris cook <cojock at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Michel
>
> You'll know that with a  background as director of a global energy exchange
> it is the transition to renewables which is one of my principal interests
> and areas of expertise.
>
> Post credit crunch I am getting great interest in the simple but radical
> new approach to legal and financial structures which I have developed (with
> seed funding from Innovation Norway).
>
> This presentation to the Scottish Energy Institute sets out a new  'Energy
> Pool' approach to funding renewables (megawatts) and energy savings
> (negawatts) projects.
>
>
> http://www.slideshare.net/ChrisJCook/energy-pools-scottish-energy-institute-11-11-2009
>
> and you may publish it if you think fit.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:00:05 +0700
> Subject: Re: [p2p-research] Non-scarce energy production: I need your help
> From: michelsub2004 at gmail.com
> To: p2presearch at listcultures.org; openmanufacturing at googlegroups.com
> CC: carobotero at gmail.com; chriswaterguy at appropedia.org;
> julio.lambing at e5.org; cojock at hotmail.com; hexayurt at gmail.com;
> dem at m-cam.com; smari at fabfolk.com; sepp at lastrega.com
>
>
> so magius,
>
> who is who:
>
> carolina is an IP lawyer from columbia, chris is from appropedia, the
> wikipedia of appropriate technology initiatives, july is from e5 and
> co-author of an important report on technology transfer mechanisms, vinay is
> from global swadeshi, david created a open patent commons for the world
> bank, smari is the afghan chickenwire meshwork person and now world famous
> with the icelandic immi initiative, sepp has been following energy projects
> ... the open knowledge foundation has many open data projects and works on a
> open hardware licence, chris cook has good ideas for collective financing
> methods
>
> I copy the open manufacturing list for possible further assistance,
>
> Michel
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 1:32 PM, magius <gmagius at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 2010/7/14 Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>:
> > Hi Marco,
> >
> > without being able to judge on the feasibility of your project (I'm
> rather
> > sceptic of free energy projects and limit my faith to renewables, but I
> may
> > have misunderstood the point about non-scarce energy supply),
>
> The Kitegen project has nothing to do with "free energy" projects as
> intended somewhere. Basicly the system works using kites to capture
> high altitude winds' energy and transform it in electricity. It's a
> project working on strong scientific assumptions developped in
> collaboration with Politecnico di Torino, an high accademic italian
> center and also funded by European Community (the vessels' branch). A
> similar system abroad is funded by Google. It's a "real" non-scarce
> energy supply, cause the high altitude winds could provide energy for
> about 2,000 TeraWatt when actual need of all mankind is about 14
> TeraWatt!
>
> The Kitegen project could be one of many similar projects you'll find
> worldwide. The strong diversity is their inventors approach. The
> Kitegen is intended as a possibile tool to give universal distributed
> access to electricity and, through it, to democracy. In that article
> of  Kitegen english website is better explained the vision:
> http://www.kitegen.com/en/
>
> > and witout the technical skills to help you, I'm cc'ing a few people who
> I think are
> > more familiar with patent commons ...
> >
> > Don't hesitate to write them separately with more details on your
> project,
> > they may want to have a shot at giving you some suggestions ..
> >
> > You may also want to check out the Open Knowledge Foundation,
>
> Thanks a lot for your help, Michael. I hope someone could be
> interested in this project.
>
> Marco Giustini
>
> > Michel
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:18 AM, magius <gmagius at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> In Italy I'm involved as supporter in a project related to not-scarce
> >> renewable energy production. This project is called (Kitegen
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitegen). Actually we're trying with lots
> >> of difficulties to start the first onsite Kitegen (Kitegen Stem) in
> >> the northern Italy.
> >>
> >> But the reason why I'm writing here is not technical.
> >>
> >> The tecnology behind Kitegen is worldwide patented and he the
> >> inventor, Mr. Ippolito, refused to sell patents to energy
> >> multinationals, because he believes that Kitegen could be a tool to
> >> produce not-scarce energy to free people.
> >>
> >> He's aware of attempts to extend the free-software paradigm in the
> >> real world and he could be  interested to eventually give his patents
> >> to a collective entity (i.e. a no-profit foundation), if it will work
> >> to spread widely his technology, balancing profit with commons'
> >> interest.
> >>
> >> We created in Italy a public company to support the project that
> >> collected from people  1 million euro, but is not enough. We need
> >> more.
> >>
> >> We wish to build something really new, a free (free as in free beer!)
> >> enterprise, commons-based, working on crowdsourcing.
> >>
> >> Could you help us to implement a model like this?
> >>
> >> Marco "magius" Giustini
> >>
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