[p2p-research] What comes next?

[Alex Rollin]

I missed something here, though.  What is it about Capitalism that
"can't be replaced"?

It must be something unique.  Surely, though, this can't be the
concept of the 'market'?

I struggle with these high level discussions in ways similar to others.

One of the things that I like about 'starting from P2P' is going
through a process of imagining how we might, for example, re-invent
capitalism, using p2p theory assumptions.

Anyone is invited to engage in this type of behavior on the P2P
Foundation wiki, mind you.   Registrations have been opened again!

There's a set of categories for this type of original writing, also:
http://p2pfoundation.net/P2PStack

It's not complete, and doesn't try to eclipse the amount of writing on
capitalism.  This is another step in bringing up P2P theory to meet
the needs of people just learning about it, trying to apply it, or
perhaps even trying to arrange relationships between p2p networks.

Anyways, it's always my hope in this discussions to pull out a few
nuggets or crux points.

So, what does it look like to try and build the best successful
dynamics out of p2p theory?

A

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:53 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:
> You are very likely in the top 20% of wealthy humans if any of the following
> are true:
>
> 1. You've ever flown in an airplane.
> 2. You've ever owned a car or motorcycle.
> 3. You've ever owned an apartment or a plot of ground with freehold and
> clear legal rights.
> 4. You've eaten more than 1800 calories a day most days of your life.
>
> There are now 6.7 billion of us.  10% is 670 million.  20% is 1.34 billion.
> In my work, I regularly discuss quintiles.  In education, it is a given that
> the top 20% of performers (nearly however measured) do very well in their
> societies.  In the US or Europe, they go to college, etc.  The second 20%
> get technical degrees or become skilled labor.  Of course some people who do
> those things are in the top 20% or in lower quintiles.  These are crude
> measures.  But they are real.
>
> The bottom 20% are nearly always associated either with social welfare
> systems, mental health systems, or prisons (often all three.)
>
> That is why I have tried to focus on the 3rd and 4th quintiles...those who
> will make or break society by either falling into the lot of the bottom 20%
> or who can equal the 2nd quintile.  In Nordic countries, success is
> basically that the top 20% are equal to the best of the world, but the
> middle two quintiles are not only closer to the top, they are far from the
> bottom...which, by the way, is pretty sucky even in Nordic countries.
>
> In India, the bottom 85% live sucky lives for the most part that none of us
> would want for our friends or children much less ourselves.  The top 2% live
> like the US or Sweden.  The 3rd to the 15% percentile quickly descend into a
> lousy life.
>
> It's all about the quintiles.  Show me the cut points for each quintile and
> the global level of the top quintile, and I'll tell you what your society is
> like.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I agree past injustices suck.  So do today's injustices.  I want to help
>> people get what they want...things they value...which is growth.  I don't
>> know what else can lead to sustainable resolution.
>>
>> The simple truth is that capitalism has succeeded for more people in a
>> broader way than anything else.  There's just no reasonable argument
>> contra.  Has it also destroyed people, created injustice, etc.  Of course it
>> has.  No reasonable person denies that.  The question is, do you throw the
>> baby out with the bathwater?
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:49 AM, j.martin.pedersen
>> <m.pedersen at lancaster.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/07/10 16:24, Daniel Araya wrote:
>>> >
>>> > 1. I believe free market capitalism has largely proved the happiest
>>> > time for humans by far.
>>>
>>> Yeah, fuck the 16 million Africans that laid the foundation for it. They
>>> don't count. Fuck the commoners, whose livelihoods were destroyed.
>>> Nevermind them. Fuck the forests that were and still are cut down. Fuck
>>> the 90% of the Americas' population. Fuck the indigenous still suffering
>>> today, such as the Hoarani of whom 10% remain since oil - that liquid
>>> that fuel your illusions of happiness - was discovered in their
>>> territory 30-35 years ago. And so on. This statement spells racism.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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