[p2p-research] communism is silly

[Daniel Araya]

so Marxism = the Magna Carta now? 
You illustrate my point...  Marxists want to claim every social innovation as their own and ignore every bad practice committed in their name. 

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> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 12:14:32 +0100
> From: m.pedersen at lancaster.ac.uk
> To: p2presearch at listcultures.org
> Subject: Re: [p2p-research] communism is silly
> 
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> On 12/07/10 11:34, Daniel Araya wrote:
> > 
> > I didn't realize 'communism' was about all that: Energy, the
> > environment, economic freedom, innovation, the end of selfishness... 
> > 
> > 
> > Wow. I had thought it was merely a translation of Rousseau's urbane
> > notions of tribalism into the field of economics (combined with a
> > generous "borrowing" off Hegel of course). But lo-- communism is many
> > many things it turns out. More than simply a critique of capitalism, or
> > the forced manufacture of equality, it appears to be the swiss army
> > knife of economic revolution. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Tell me Michel, what technology, democratic practice, or medical
> > innovation has a Marxist ever invented? Why in the history of
> > experiments with communism was there no democratic communist state? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Call P2P commonism if you like but the continued harping on a dead
> > eurocentric philosopher who couldn't even feed his family is
> > ridiculous. Collectivism is your hope not mine, so I'd prefer not to
> > soil the promise of networked production with the adolescent silliness
> > of class war and a "proletarian revolution". 
> 
> Are you talking about communism, marxism or marx? Or the social
> movements that for almost a millennia - beginning with the Magna Carta -
> have organised and demanded certain rights and freedoms (without which
> you, unless you are an aristocrat, of course, would have no access to
> this forum)? Or contemporary commonism movements? Or are you just
> throwing out an idiosyncratic straw man, as seems so popular around here?
> 
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