[p2p-research] The link between poverty, (de)centralisation and (non)connectivity

[Michel Bauwens]

roberto verzola's work makes all the necessary distinctions on this topic
...

not having wants is of course the basic principle of renunciate eastern
religions, and also of the lifeboat spiritual communities that made
civilisations survive deep collapses (collapse of roman empire, japan,
etc... )

by contrast, creating new wants is now the priority of the system ..

On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Alex Rollin <alex.rollin at gmail.com> wrote:

> Or perhaps just not having wants?  I don't mean that as definitively
> as it sounds, but, for example, we learn about new things, new
> developments, from neighbors.  We learn about the insufficiency of
> current solutions through comparison, sometimes.
>
> A
>
> On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I don't know,
> >
> > I'm guessing he is using it in a very loose way, as not having things,
> which
> > is indeed presumably the beginning state of mankind ... but again, these
> > tribal societies were also the decentralized one .... It seems to me
> though
> > that in the current conjuncture, distribution (in the p2p sense) would be
> a
> > very important step to restore local dynamism and autonomy.
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 3:40 AM, Michel Bauwens <
> michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > as someone alerted me in facebook, poverty is relative to wants and
> >> > needs, so the statement, we all started from poverty, is problematic
> (read
> >> > the original affluent society by marshall sahlins)
> >> >
> >> > also contradictory is that, if we all started everywhere in poverty,
> it
> >> > was in fact for most of the time a decentralized poverty, so that
> seems
> >> > contradictory,
> >> >
> >> > nevertheless, at this historical conjuncture, I do agree that this is
> >> > precisely what we need to focus on, without of course, making it a
> fetish,
> >> >
> >> > Michel
> >> >
> >>
> >> I wonder what Quadir means by: "Poverty is the natural beginning state
> >> of all societies, east or west."
> >>
> >> In general I can agree with the criticism that it is not a "natural
> >> beginning state". Yet, I wonder where this is sourced from. It would
> >> be good to see it in context to be sure this is what Quadir actually
> >> meant.
> >>
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