[p2p-research] The Cybernetic Hypothesis
Michel Bauwens
michelsub2004 at gmail.com
Thu Jul 8 18:22:56 CEST 2010
thanks for sharing this, will take some days to read ... you should have a
word with richard barbrook ..
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 11:00 PM, Joss Winn <joss at josswinn.org> wrote:
> Over a month ago, I said I was taking notes while reading Tiqqun's 'The
> Cybernetic Hypothesis'. I've finally finished:
>
>
> http://joss.blogs.lincoln.ac.uk/2010/07/06/reading-the-cybernetic-hypothesis/
>
> Note that, for those who want a longer summary, more complete notes are
> linked to here:
>
> http://joss.blogs.lincoln.ac.uk/files/2010/07/Cybernetic-Hypothesis.pdf
>
> I should say that a lot of this is new to me, so I've tended to cover
> what I understand at face value. This is not a review, but notes I might
> use to later include in something else I write (no idea what!).
>
> People on this list will know this subject area much better than I do,
> so please leave comments here or on my blog so that I might learn from you.
>
> Much appreciated.
>
> Joss
>
>
>
> On 28/05/10 16:46, Michel Bauwens wrote:
> > thanks Jos,
> >
> > Michel
> >
> > On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Joss Winn <joss at josswinn.org
> > <mailto:joss at josswinn.org>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 28/05/10 03:14, Michel Bauwens wrote:
> > > feel free to write on the last paragraph here below, for our blog
> ..
> > >
> >
> > Thanks. I am starting to write some notes which I'll post to this
> list
> > for comment prior to publishing on the P2P blog.
> >
> >
> > > On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 10:42 PM, Joss Winn <joss at josswinn.org
> > <mailto:joss at josswinn.org>
> > > <mailto:joss at josswinn.org <mailto:joss at josswinn.org>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > For background on Tiqqun, I recommend:
> > >
> > > http://tiqqunerie.jottit.com/
> > >
> > > Agamben and their publisher, Hazan, speak about Tiqqun here:
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://notesforthecomingcommunity.blogspot.com/2009/04/agamben-apropos-of-tiqqun.html
> > > (video)
> > >
> > > transcript here:
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://anarchistwithoutcontent.wordpress.com/2010/04/18/tiqqun-apocrypha-repost/
> > >
> > > More translations can be found here:
> > >
> > > http://tiqqunista.jottit.com/
> > >
> > > and collected information about their arrest can be found here:
> > >
> > > http://www.notbored.org/tarnac.html
> > >
> > > I've just finished reading The Cybernetic Hypothesis and think
> > that
> > > while the text is a ravaging critique of Cybernetics/Systems
> > Theory as
> > > Capitalism and its 'tyranny of transparency', the final few
> > chapters of
> > > the Hypothesis, do offer some steps forward for P2P activists,
> > with
> > > their ideas around panic, Temporary Autonomous Zones,
> > interference/fog,
> > > slowness and ultimately communism.
> > >
> > >
> > > Joss
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 27/05/10 15:46, j.martin.pedersen wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 27/05/10 15:39, Denis Postle wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On 5/26/2010 5:30 PM, Joss Winn wrote:
> > > >>> This may interest some of you. An English translation of
> The
> > > Cybernetic
> > > >>> Hypothesis, which appeared in the Tiqqun journal (2001) is
> now
> > > available:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> http://cybernet.jottit.com/
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I am quite new to this material, but my summary of it so
> > far, is
> > > that
> > > >>> it's a ruthless and challenging attack on Cybernetics,
> which
> > > they equate
> > > >>> with modern Capitalism, both drawing on and simultaneously
> > > critiquing a
> > > >>> number of European intellectual traditions.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I'm enjoying it.
> > > >>>
> > > >> Yes very valuable, thank you. Any idea of who the author(s)
> > were?
> > > >
> > > > it emerges from the group of people around the
> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiqqun journal,
> > > >
> > > > some of who were the targets of the infamous anti-terror
> > assault on
> > > > liberties in France:
> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarnac_9
> > > >
> > > > it is a good piece in that it presents a critical side of
> > technology
> > > > thinking that is absent from most the non-reflective
> > glorification
> > > that
> > > > predominates cyberspace debates.
> > > >
> > > > -m
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