[p2p-research] a new funding mechanism for useful online services

[Samuel Rose]

I think I agree with you. Not for profit foundations and cooperatives
that are co-governed by participants seem like better candidates for
maintaining the scarce infrastructure than a for-profit business.

This should not preclude for-profit business from using the
peer-produced resource. A good example perhaps is the IBM projects
that are contributed back to Apache foundation (hadoop, etc). IBM
doesn't run Apache foundation, but it can use from and contribute back
to the commons that is maintained by Apache foundation on behalf of
contributors.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:21 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Sepp,
>
> just to re-iterate my vision of this:
>
> - I consider democracy as one of the means for managing scarce resources,
> and while current forms are obviously corrupt, we can imagine other ones
>
> - I consider peer governance to be operative only in contexts of abundance,
> where free self-allocation can occur
>
> Projects often being hybrids, some combination of the two seems inevitable.
>
> If we are not utopian and just see what is co-evolving with peer production,
> then we must conclude that it is the FLOSS 'Foundations', mostly
> democratically organized, which are managing the scarce infrastructures of
> cooperation ...
>
> It is easy to imagine, since they are now also being created for open
> hardware, that this is a viable model, which could expand beyond FLOSS and
> become partners with the existing but mutating government and governance
> models ...
>
> Michel
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Sepp Hasslberger <sepp at lastrega.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 05/gen/10, at 15:29, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Sepp,
>>>
>>> I agree with your points but don't see that multinational aspect
>>> necessarily missing in my view ... but perhaps it does.
>>>
>>> As you suggest, some things, like space exploration, may actually require
>>> a large scale organisation, so possibly/probably broadly relocalized
>>> manufacturing and global knowledge sharing networks, are not enough.
>>>
>>> In the Middle Ages, the Catholic Church was the instrument of scale,
>>> think the Crusades, despite the local fragmentation .. what could be such an
>>> agent in a world with p2p as its core?
>>>
>>> perhaps something akin to the FLOSS Foundations?
>>>
>>
>> Michel,
>>
>> yes, a very interesting question: What could take the place of the
>> Catholic Church as an aggregator, an instrument of scale, in a world
>> dominated by (predominantly local) p2p interactions.
>>
>> I believe that p2p will be transformative not only for economic efforts
>> but also for governance/government. Instead of representative democracy,
>> which we are realizing more and more to be a mere façade, we will slide
>> towards a much more distributed way of decision making. Internet-enabled
>> direct democracy efforts are the first beginnings of this trend.
>>
>> It is the transformed structures of governance that will eventually
>> provide that unifying element, where great projects can be realized either
>> by traditional structures like the large corporations, or by ad-hoc
>> cooperative ventures that leverage the world of p2p production. FLOSS is
>> definitely a first step in that direction.
>>
>> Sepp
>>
>>
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