[p2p-research] [ME-09] [OK] Philosophical Underpinnings of the Importance of Collaboration

Tue Jan 12 07:25:21 CET 2010

I see your point of view, but can't agree on a purely objective morality,

my vision would be that morality is perspectival, but that perspectives can
be combined and enter into dialogue to discover commonalities across
perspectives; though it might have some objective aspects, it would be
mostly intersubjective,

morality is not science and I  personally think this is a 'hard' category
error ...

of course, since you say that the possibility is only theoretical, as far as
practical matters go, it would not be such a hindrance .. until the moment
you would claim that your moral point of view  is objective, and hence
superior, to the competing one, seen as merely subjective ...

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Suresh Fernando <
suresh at radical-inclusion.com> wrote:

> See below.
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> are you familiar with critical realism .. the only tenable form of realism
>> I think .. worth investigating ...
>>
>
> No - will check out.
>
>>
>> my opinion is that a focus on the commonality of values around concrete
>> objectives is a sufficient condition for joint approaches, independently of
>> the full metaphysics of the persons involved ..
>>
>
> Sure... I was just trying to provide some rationale for my motivation.
>
>>
>> I would also like to choose to see moral realism and moral relativism as
>> polarities ... it's not difficult to see widely contradictory moral values
>> and opinions (gay marriage comes to mind as an example, or honour killings,
>> in some countries it's morally acceptable to attack unfaithful women with
>> acid, in thailand it's morally acceptable for females to cut male genitalia
>> of unfaithful husbands), while it is also possible to come to certain moral
>> agreements across cultures and civilisations; holding on to both the
>> universal and particular, to the common and to the individual, seems to be
>> the challenge.
>>
>
> This is what I am challenging. I am saying that some actions are right and
> others are wrong (period) and the basis for this distinction rests on
> scientific methodology which, as far as I am concerned, is the only rational
> paradigm of truth. Of course others, religious zealots of all flavoursm for
> example, will have other paradigms of truth. The basis for what is
> right/wrong will be related to survival (species, individual...).
>
> This is also why not dealing with climate change drives me crazy... I think
> it's morally wrong.
>
> I am not claiming that science has advanced to the point where we know what
> these right actions are, however. My claim is that it is possible.
>
>
>
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Suresh Fernando <
>> suresh at radical-inclusion.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Folks,
>>>
>>> In case you need some bed time reading ;-)
>>>
>>> When I say that I believe that we can make this world a better place, and
>>> that we should be sufficiently motivated to do so, I say this because I am
>>> what would be termed a moral realist.<http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/moral-realism/>This is to say that I am of the opinion that there are certain actions that
>>> are *objectively *right and hence that we ought to do them. What those
>>> are exactly is another story ;-). This view is to be contrasted with moral
>>> relativism <http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/moral-relativism/>.
>>>
>>> The sense in which we can come to know that certain actions are *right*is a position grounded in a transcendentally
>>> idealistic <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_idealism> view
>>> on the structure of knowledge that contrasts with a scientifically
>>> realistic <http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/scientific-realism/>perspective,
>>> and is outlined in a paper that I wrote entitled The Visibility of Moral
>>> Facts <http://docs.google.com/View?id=dc4gbgsj_208cg9z5qc5>.
>>>
>>> I also believe that right action is intrinsically tied to the
>>> relationship between our reflexive (self conscious) nature and our *survival
>>> within communities*. I advance an argument to this effect in a paper
>>> entitled The Structure of Identity.<http://docs.google.com/View?id=dc4gbgsj_900fjd2xmcz>
>>>
>>> Hence, for me, there are certain things as rational thinking beings that
>>> we ought to do (even if we don't as a species know what they are) and there
>>> is a connection between what they are and community.
>>>
>>> If you can make the connection between community and collaboration, you
>>> can get a better idea for why developing collaborative frameworks and
>>> processes is vitally important for me.
>>>
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, my musings tell me nothing about what those right actions
>>> actually are...  ;-)
>>>
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