[p2p-research] [Commoning] Am I missing any commons?

[Michel Bauwens]

I agree, but unless you suggest that we meter the internet to pay for these
externalities, we have to protect the open and free input and access of the
cyber commons

in fact, the universal sharing of technological innovations is just as
crucial for saving our biosphere, as the capitalist market artificial
scarcity engineering and waste-abundance engineering, and hampering of
innovation, must be radically reversed

and if thus a radical re-orientation of social relations will be necessary,
if we have to wait for full communism to save the earth, we might as well
hang ourselves,

Michel

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Massimo De Angelis <
m.deangelis at ntlworld.com> wrote:

> Sure
>
> but "pragmatically" currently implies that the "public or private
> infrastructures" are unable to avoid us 4 degree global warming -- see
> latest research on climate change during COP15 -- not to talk about the
> implications for local communities in my previous email . .
>
> there is no way to deal with the desirable development of cyber p2p without
> at the same time posing the urgent need to change social relations of
> production with respect to land and other "tangible" means of production . .
> .there is no "pragmatism" that can save us from ecological and social doom,
> no p2p great discovery . . .ultimately, there are only three things : our
> relation to "land", to "land", to "land" (and therefore to one another) .. .
>
> best
>
> massimo
>
>
>
>
> On 26 Feb 2010, at 09:23, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>
> I agree, but pragmatically it is possible to have open and free input and
> universal access to digital and knowledge resources, with the externalities
> taken care of by the public or private infrastructures
>
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Massimo De Angelis <
> m.deangelis at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> please note
>>
>> finite resources ALSO apply to non physical commons -- the only difference
>> is that the p2p commoners do not experience a direct constraints, as this
>> finitude is externalised unto others  (unlike  the communities expropriated
>> of their land to make space for energy plants to power servers that are
>> necessary for an increasing number of p2p cyber-commoners to write open
>> software and of web surfer to download and browse stuff . . .)
>>
>> massimo
>> On 26 Feb 2010, at 08:50, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>
>> exactly Patrick, this means that, barring more precise definitions, P2P
>> Commons are indeed limited to a specific type of commons, where this is
>> possible, but there can be many other commons, like the ones that need to
>> restrict access and usage.
>>
>> I can imagine a category of peer-informed commons, where despite the need
>> for access control, equipotential value is respected
>>
>> Michel
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Patrick Anderson <agnucius at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>> > a P2P commons would have to consists of:
>>> >
>>> > open and free input, no exclusions or a priori control of contributions
>>> >
>>> > participation in governance by all contributors
>>> >
>>> > universal availability
>>>
>>>
>>> What do you mean by "no exclusions" and "universal availability" when
>>> speaking of the finite resources in a physical commons?
>>>
>>> Are you saying access/admission and use across time must be
>>> unconditional and infinite in duration?
>>>
>>> Not everybody can use the oven at once.  How will we schedule and
>>> allocate these material assets?
>>>
>>> Or any attempt to schedule or allocate automatically disqualify us
>>> from being either P2P or from being a commons?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Patrick
>>>
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