[p2p-research] Fwd: [fcforum] Fw: iPad DRM is a dangerous step backward. Sign the petition!

[Michel Bauwens]

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 2:57 PM, M. Fioretti <mfioretti at nexaima.net> wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 09:28:29 AM +0700, Michel Bauwens (
> michelsub2004 at gmail.com) wrote:
>
> > I think it is important to distinguish concepts that describe some
> > objective feature of reality, like artificial scarcity and rent, as
> > used by me and Kevin respectively, these are just things that exist,
> > and our opinion of them.
> >
> > Copyright is an artificial scarcity creating a rent, period.
>
> Whatever. Call it as you prefer if this makes the discussion faster,
> but it still has positive effects in real cases that most analyses simply
> ignore.
>


It is indeed possible that it may have justicifications and positive effects
in some cases ...

>
> > Second whatever we may think of the difficulties of private and
> > corporate individuals to make money for their creations, to insist
> > that this is the only possible incentive to create is just factually
> > wrong,
>
> Michel,
>
> can you please point in the archives to the message where **I** made
> such a claim as the one you write?
>


I may have reacted, and over-read, your sentence here: "all you get is to
remove an incentive to make all
or almost all of that stuff available for everybody."

>
> > Think about the medieval cathedrals, built in non-market societies,
> > just to see that it is possible to create grand creations under
> > these conditions.
>
> I love medieval cathedrals, but I still prefer very much a system
> where individuals have more opportunities to make a living _without_
> directly pleasing, and depending on the local King, Cardinal, Duke or
> any other central ruler. Even if the example was relevant, since
> cathedrals are material productst that can only be built by many
> people working together for a long time. They are even more remote
> from the case I submitted than performing arts or poetry.
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