[p2p-research] Fwd: john robb's [Metacurrency_Project] Status Update

Sat Dec 25 05:20:51 CET 2010

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From: Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 3:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Metacurrency_Project] Status Update
To: John Robb <globalguerrillas at yahoo.com>
Cc: opencc at googlegroups.com, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>,
Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>, Eric Harris-Braun <
eric at harris-braun.com>, Arthur Brock <artbrock at geekgene.com>

Thanks John for your reply !

Cordially
Dante

ps:

If its ok for you,
I feel like posting this reply you sent on metacurrency list to another
small ( in terms of number of members ) opencc list,
and a few other people,
and will keep myself updated via the list and participate a it emerges.

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 9:09 PM, John Robb <globalguerrillas at yahoo.com>wrote:

>
>
> Dante,
>
> Lots of questions.  Don't have all of the answers yet.  Fortunately, this
> is an organic process and the answers will emerge when needed.
>
> Regardless, here's a first pass (with the caveat that all of this is likely
> to be revised as the effort progresses and circumstances dictate):
>
> 1) Partnerships?  Sure.  However, this effort is focused on building
> ventures as opposed to middleware.
>
> 2) License for the code?  Hasn't been determined yet.  However, this
> project's objective isn't merely a release of code/methods in the global
> mix.  It's the release code/methods in a way that produces the positive
> feedback loops necessary to produce much, much more of it (required for
> self-organizing systems).
>
> 3) Ownership of physical property?  There aren't any set rules for how the
> ownership of physical property is handled within those ventures that require
> it.  I suspect lots of options will be available in that regard.  Remember,
> this is a decentralized system, which means there will be lots of
> options/method of ownership to choose from (this allows us lots of
> experimentation and the opportunity to avoid brittle ideological rule sets
> developed a priori).
>
> 4) Sweat equity?  A better way to put it: meaningful contributions generate
> an ongoing call on the output of the venture.  Philosophically, the online
> venture is just a tool, a means of producing something of value, and is not
> an entity in its own right.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> JR
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson at gmail.com>
> *To:* Metacurrency_Project at yahoogroups.com; John Robb <
> globalguerrillas at yahoo.com>
>
> *Cc:* Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>; Robin Upton <
> robin2008 at altruists.org>; Dmytri Kleiner <dk at telekommunisten.net>;
> opencc at googlegroups.com; Eric Harris-Braun <eric at harris-braun.com>; Arthur
> Brock <artbrock at geekgene.com>
> *Sent:* Thu, December 23, 2010 2:02:26 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Metacurrency_Project] Status Update
>
> Hi John,
>
> I am very interested in developments of alternative currency projects, and
> supportive of your initiatives,
> though I still have some unanswered questions.
>
> to start with, is there any interest in partnerships with "the other"
> metacurrency project ( as far as I understand )
>
> http://p2pfoundation.net/Metacurrency_Project
>
> <http://p2pfoundation.net/Metacurrency_Project>-----
>
> Apologies in case these answers where already given in previous posts :
>
> - In addition to the venture in itself, under what license would the code
> be released ?
>
> GPL 3.0 ? http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.html
>
>
> - For the venture, in case there would be any property related to it -
> though I do personally encourage a commons   -,
> do you mean, would it have a few of the characteristics of, lets say,
> Venture Communism ?
>
> http://p2pfoundation.net/Venture_Communism
>
> <http://p2pfoundation.net/Venture_Communism>although with, apparently, the
> difference that it depends on contribution shares ?
>
> As in "Sweat Equity" ?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweat_equity
>
> If so, would such "Sweat Equity" be a form of "recognition" in a gift
> economy venture,
> or does it represent a form of equity which can be traded for "alternative
> currencies" - or being an alternative currency itself ? -,
> or for central bank currencies,
> and if so, how would this be calculated, and in relation to what ownership
> - if there is any notion of ownership at all, which I personally would
> discourage, other then perhaps a more official " support" structure people
> can donate to, as with http://p2pfoundation.net/Debian_-_Governance ? -
>
> Personally, as a non-programmer, I believe I only prefer to use and
> support code that is "libre" and "open source",
> and an architecture that would be distributed.
>
> Hence I personally imagine "reputation" currencies could be earned, or
> eventually shares of "donations",
> but not a coercive type of property and income.
>
> I could nevertheless imagine that if there is a requirement for some kind
> of official structure supporting its development,
> perhaps a type of business model; such as "The Mozilla Foundation" , could
> be of interest ?
>
> http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/
> http://p2pfoundation.net/Mozilla_Foundation
>
> just my 2 cents,
>
> Cordially,
> Dante
>
>
> ps to people in cc - this message is sent to the this specific metacurrency
> project list
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Metacurrency_Project/
>
> which is apparently different to this metacurrency project
>
> http://p2pfoundation.net/Metacurrency_Project
> http://metacurrency.org/content/open-rules
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 8:27 PM, John Robb <globalguerrillas at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Here's a quick status update.
>>
>> Spent the last couple of weeks working on a business concept that fully
>> leverages the open source venture concept.  Found one.
>>
>> The next step is to turn the concept into a living open source venture.
>>
>> To accomplish this, we're in the process of setting up a wiki to flesh out
>> the venture's elements. Should be live early in January.
>>
>> It's very likely that we are going to form this venture as a non-profit.
>>  This means that nobody is going to get rich building it.
>>
>> However, everyone that makes a meaningful contribution to he venture prior
>> to launch has a chance at becoming a founder of the venture. All founders
>> get equal compensation from the venture if it is successful.
>>
>> The vast majority of the income generated by the venture will be allocated
>> to the participants (including founders, although through a different
>> calculation) depending on contribution.  Again, nobody is going to get rich
>> building this venture, but it will help you cover your bills if you make a
>> meaningful contribution.
>>
>> This is going to be fun.  It may also become the most rewarding, on
>> numerous levels, project you will ever get the chance to work on.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> JR
>>
>>
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