[p2p-research] [Commoning] Non digital commons a lot more complicated than Free Software

[Michel Bauwens]

hi martin,

I think this is indeed an interesting perspective,

my feeling is that silicon valley has produced two perspectives,

one is the netarchical capitalist one, which embeds the new dynamics into
market dominance and exploitation and gives rise to the iterations of the
California Ideology

the other is the one representing the culture and values of knowledge
workers, the part of the working class that produces and deals primarilty
with knowledge, software, design,

each side has variations and in practice, people are influenced by different
positionings,

but I do believe that attempts like the p2p foundation, and many others, are
those of knowledge workers trying to live and expand their value systems,

they will have their own biases, but it is a valid perspective of an
important social group, that has to find emancipatory concordance with the
expressions of earlier social movements,

Michel

On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 12:36 AM, Neal Gorenflo <neal at shareable.net> wrote:

> a response in line.
>
> On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 7:14 AM, j.martin.pedersen
> <m.pedersen at lancaster.ac.uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 17/12/10 09:05, Michel Bauwens wrote:
> >
> >> While it is legimate to develop pure analysis and theory, I think there
> are
> >> many places for that, but it is not what we want to do in this context,
> but
> >> rather find practical ways to advance both the struggles and solution
> space
> >> of commons-oriented movements ...
> >
> > What does this mean?
> >
> > I don't understand the juxtaposition of "pure analysis and theory" with
> > "practical ways to advance both the struggles and solution space of
> > commons-oriented movements" - what kind of advances and solutions do not
> > emerge from envisaging and planning (i.e. analysis and theory)?
>
> There's a heavy skew here in Silicon Valley startup culture toward
> action and iteration versus planning and analysis.  The saying here is
> release early and often.  This is not to suggest that this is
> superior, but merely that there is a way to move forward that
> radically reduces the role of upfront planning and analysis. I think
> that the productivity of the region suggests that this strategy is
> effective, though it's surely not the only way to move a sector or
> movement forward.
>
> Also, I should point out that the core values of P2P come from the
> culture of computer hackers, and that it's their value system that
> digital commoners are extending and generalizing in global society.
> So there's an argument here that planning and analysis as a way of
> inventing the future is in a general decline.  It is, after all, the
> preferred method of large bureaucracies which are proving largely
> ineffective in responding to humanity's greatest challenges.  In
> contrast, it seems those who are free to act are proving the most
> effective innovators.
>
> Just a perspective.  Not overly invested in it.  Open to other
> perspectives.
>
>
> >> I think we must also guard though of the opposite danger, i..e. to fall
> for
> >> a credo-based approach, in which virulent anticapitalist rhetoric
> becomes a
> >> requirement for collaboration; I personally believe we should be able to
> >> build movements that unite both anticapitalists and people who make for
> all
> >> kinds of reasons, different root cause systemic analyses, and that
> dialogue
> >> and deliberation amongst those differences should be both to highlight
> >> differences, but also to look for common action ..
> >
> > What is virulent anticapitalist rhetoric? Can you give an example?
>
> The Communist Manifesto ;)
>
>
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