[p2p-research] the connective

[Samuel Rose]

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Patrick Anderson <agnucius at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>So only strategies that are currently operational should be considered?
>
>>Why are you so opposed to planning actions before we strike -
>>especially considering how terribly murderous against our mother earth
>>all past and current approaches have been?
>
> Correct me if I am wrong, but I often see you criticizing approaches
> that clearly do not fit this description. Your criticism seems to
> center on anything that does not adhere to principles you espouse.
> Your message seems to me to be summarizable as "you are doing this
> wrong, until and unless you fully adopt the approach that I am
> discussing". I could be wrong about that, but it's my current
> perception.
>
>> It is dangerous to start an expidetion to somewhere we have never been
>> without some planning.
>>
>
>
> Ok, but the expedition has already begun, for all of us, since they
> day we were born. It's a never ending quest. A dynamic and ongoing
> expedition. It has elements of old paradigms and elements of new. We
> can tell people on an expedition that they should always carry a small
> backpack, and should always share their water, and it may sound like a
> good idea, but there are going to be times when both of those are not
> going to happen. We are going to be in situations where some people
> who are participants in our systems are not going to accept our way of
> doing things. This includes when people are creating cooperatives,
> shared ownership, etc.
>
> A secret that I can share with you is that if you were wiling to *do
> the work of implementing your idea within the context of other
> people's projects*, people would likely be more ready to adopt what
> you are talking about.
>
> People here Michigan use the phrase "Shit tonne" to describe the
> amount of work that it would take for a group of people to comply with
> re-creating all infrastructure so that it was all completely owned by
> participants following the criteria that I've seen you describe. I can
> appreciate that you are passionate about getting people to understand
> the logic behind what you describe. I think it is a good vision, and
> worthy of time and consideration. However, I am passionate also about
> creating things people can do now, today, in the contexts that they
> are in. This means that there will have to be some compromises, I am
> sorry to say.
>
>


Ps. that's my position, and you can quote on it later! :-D




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