[p2p-research] from-open-business-models-to-an-economy-of-the-commons/

[Michel Bauwens]

you are entirely correct Alex, I'm not an original thinker in toto,

as you say, I build on others and add some to it in a new combination, as I
think all thinkers do,

I don't think I'm particularly deep or original,

I  have a big ego for sure, but perhaps not as huge as you think,

I learned from life that ditching the ego is very problematic, better live
with it, be aware of it and make peace with it

of course the wiki is complementary to what I say in that video, and I
continuously refer to it, including until recently, to your own work

Again, I think you are crossing boundaries here by calling my work filth,

I do not think yours is, and if I would think some people were producing it,
I would use more diplomatic and less problematic  language,

As far as I'm concerned, your use of language is out of bounds in the
culture of this list, and I copy the list moderator Kevin to let him know
specifically,

Michel

On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Alex Rollin <alex.rollin at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Luckily you are not an original thinker in toto either.
>
> At any rate, the wiki project at http://p2pfoundation.net is an
> exploration of the ideas covered in the article.
>
> If your ego weren't so huge you could see this as a complementary asset
> enabling readers to join in collaborative research.
>
> Alas, it is up tp me to wade through your filth to tell them myself.
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> On Aug 21, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>   sorry alex, you are wrong,
>
> this is not personal,
>
> we had a few conversations on practical matters, I acknowledge that,
>
> you are doing hopefully interesting work for yourself and others, I have
> stated my opinion elswhere, i.e. I find both your imposition of new info
> architectures and positivistic account of p2p deeply problematic, but I
> acknowledge it as one possible interpretation of p2p, along with many others
> ... Perhaps it will be successfull, perhaps not, time will tell, I'm not
> there to judge or predict, though I do give my considerations on the matter
> since it impacts on my work and on the p2p-f community. As you know, I have
> ceased to have a positive opinion on your contributions but I believe I have
> a right to such assessment, as you have on mine
>
> but you have not been an intellectual influence on me ... many have, you
> did not, our conversations were interesting, but not earth-shattering, I
> found them usefully pragmatic and originally welcomed your
> plans wholeheartedly
>
> I have been workign and reading since at least 2002 on this, absorbed many
> influences and cited 99% of them .. If I do take up your ideas, I will
> acknowledge them .. this is not difficult for me, as a curator, this is
> actually my job and I do it all the time, see the blog and wiki for
> thousands of references ...
>
> and since you insist on continuing the conversation, let me be truthful, I
> do not understand most of what you are writing ... it comes from a space
> that I do not understand well enough ... it may be very useful and
> interesting, it's just not my cup of tea
>
> Sorry to disappoint you,
>
> but you are entirely wrong in interpreting this as a refusal to acknowledge
> your contributions to my thinking on these matters,
>
> Michel
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Alex Rollin <alex.rollin at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> You make it out to be a request for validation because you are so
>> self-centered.
>>
>> I say that I have actively been involved in conversation with you
>> about the very model you say you "invented" or whatever in that
>> article.
>>
>> I merely ask you to reference a body of work.  I do not sign most of
>> the pages, and don't ask for my name to be sited.
>>
>> You are building on the shoulders of others, as you like to say.
>>
>> Your wish to deny the conversations and their content shows your
>> misanthropic tendencies bubbling through.
>>
>> I don't care if my name is on it.  It is an invitation to people to
>> engage the research.  That research is related to the furthering of
>> foundation activities, ostensibly.  You can do with that what you
>> like, of course.
>>
>> Your actions are so touching, and telling.
>>
>> Alex
>>
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