[p2p-research] text as code

[Michel Bauwens]

thanks Marco,

about code as power: http://p2pfoundation.net/Protocollary_Power

On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 9:46 PM, M. Fioretti <mfioretti at nexaima.net> wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 21:28:43 PM +0700, Michel Bauwens (
> michelsub2004 at gmail.com) wrote:
>
> > Quite apart from my personal failings in wanting to learn more wiki
> > code, this is a separate information architectural issue.
>
> yes, I made clear (or so I hope, at least) both that I see the two
> things to BE well different and independent, and that the really
> serious one is the second. In this specific case I'd recommend not to
> use what you call "text as code, seeded by different pages" even if
> you and Alex were both for it.
>
> > Could you not agree Marco, that even if James has to install the
> > wiki, the capacity to publish a wiki/blog, a tagging network, does
> > at least represent some willingness to learn?
>
> of course. My nitpicking side still refuses to call code what isn't
> code but just markup :-) ... but of course I agree. You'll have noted,
> I hope, that first I never put my remarks as an ultimatum with a
> deadline, just as advice, and secondly that your attitude doesn't even
> bother me personally. I simply wonder (IN GENERAL, not here or about
> you: in a sense, this is the same general issue I discussed in my "are
> people ready for open government" talk), what are in this age the long
> term consequences. And of course it's about power, besides being
> self-evident this is one of the very few things that both you and Alex
> wrote.
>
> It's just interesting, though, and food for thought and new articles
> when this will be over, the level at which this storm happened. You
> wrote:
>
> > [text as code] is a power grab by technocratically inclined people,
> > and the whole of the behaviour I have witnessed is for me witness
> > and proof that it was about power. A power that brokes no dissent,
> > that privileges the techno-savvy, and that doesn't consider the
> > possibilty of alternatives.
>
> The slogan I use in my talks to warn people about the same general
> issue is "technology is legislation these days. That's why it's
> becoming more and more dangerous every year to not know at least its
> general principles"
>
> Marco
>
>
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