[p2p-research] Compromise? Submission to Process = Temporary Peace?

Thu Aug 12 15:42:42 CEST 2010

Your proposal does not meet my needs for user rights.

I think it's important to have a process to agree on changes like that.

You are making all the decisions and don't have to listen to me at all.

I have already agreed to what you said before, and now you keep adding
conditions.  It will keep on like that and no structural reform will ever
happen unless you participate in it or it is done around you by the other
board members of the Foundation as listed in the original documents.

Alex

On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:

> I understand Alex,
>
> to be clear: I support the process, but not with someone who explicitely
> declares, and repeated today several times in a skype conversation, that his
> priority is to expel me from the board.
>
> In those circumstances, my support for the process is obsolete.
>
> If you change your position, then mine will revert to my original support
> for James mediation proposal.
>
> However, I will now strongly insist to a moratorium on code in the
> editorial pages. I do not want to be involved in constant fights like the
> one we have over the transparency page. Code that has cascading efforts over
> many pages should be provisionally removed.
>
> Once I can see that you understand my problems, we can slowly re-introduce,
> on an experiment and agreed base, new code introductions. For now, I need
> restoration of easy editing as a priority.
>
> My interpretation is: I want you to stop sabotaging the easy editorial
> process, and I want you to focus your energies, if you insist on staying
> here, in areas where they do not hinder my work and that of other people
> similarly inclined.
>
> I do not want to spend 2-3 hours a day in dogfights with you because you
> are impervious to my needs and wishes
>
> James:  you need to intervene one way or the other to stop this incessant
> back and forth
>
> Michel
>
> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Alex Rollin <alex.rollin at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Forgive me for not being clear.
>>
>> I meant to ask:
>>
>> Will you submit to the process that you and James agreed to for conflict
>> mediation on the page:
>>
>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Wiki_Use_Policy
>>
>> The process would be moderated by James or someone else you agree to.  Not
>> me.  But that's all in the process you agreed to already.
>>
>> I don't need you to step down from the board for this to work.  I just
>> need someone besides you, on the board or in power, to be involved in
>> policy.  As a user I need that.  Other users need that too, I think.  That's
>> why sites that are community sites have conflict resolution policies and
>> procedures.  Because a community needs them.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> No Alex, I do not submit to you, which is how I read this.
>>>
>>> I propose an alternative, which is that you take a p2p foundation
>>> holiday, that you wait a few weeks or 2-3 months until the passion has died
>>> down,
>>>
>>> but in any case, if you do not retrack your stated hostile intent, we
>>> will still be at a standstill.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Alex Rollin <alex.rollin at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Does that soind like he is submitting to process?
>>>>
>>>> Do you submit Michel?
>>>>
>>>> No changes are being made to the wiki install.  I can't know fully what
>>>> your deman is but I rexommend you dorward it to "process man" James and I
>>>> agree by whatever he says.
>>>>
>>>> Do you submit?
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 12, 2010, at 2:48 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   so my proposal is:
>>>>
>>>> 1) a pause in architectural changes
>>>>
>>>> 2) if Alex maintains his stated hostile intent, to give him all the
>>>> support he needs to create a forked project
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 7:43 PM, j.martin.pedersen <<m.pedersen at lancaster.ac.uk>
>>>> m.pedersen at lancaster.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/08/10 13:30, Alex Rollin wrote:
>>>>> > Let's step into process and quit broadcasting, hey?  Who like
>>>>> process!?  I
>>>>> > do I do!
>>>>>
>>>>> This is not "process" of the kind that leads to reconcillitation or
>>>>> resolution. It is one of the central actors in the conflict setting the
>>>>> scene in a rhetorical/subjective fashion.
>>>>>
>>>>> If there is to be a "process", then someone else will have to step in -
>>>>> someone with at least the grace and skills to act "neutrally", even if
>>>>> they aren't at heart.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not volunteering - as I have neither the skills, nor overview, nor
>>>>> inclination.
>>>>>
>>>>> -m
>>>>>
>>>>> PS: It is getting tiresome to listen to, though!
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