[p2p-research] some wiki editing rules

Wed Aug 11 18:37:46 CEST 2010

thanks for the input mathieu, I think this is pretty much what james is
proposing,

Michel

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Mathieu ONeil <mathieu.oneil at anu.edu.au>wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
> I don't contribute much (or at all) to the wiki but I support the work so
> here are my two cents:
>
> -I dont think a fork would be useful - there should ideally be a compromise
> between WYSIWYG and more complex tools, perhaps an opt-in as suggested?
>
> -it does sound like the project is experiencing growing pains and that
> perhaps more formal governance structures need to be set up (along with a
> specialised list?) to discuss these technical issues...
>
> -alternatively or in addition: perhaps a page could be set up on the wiki
> explaining what the proposed changes are, compared to the existing
> situation; this page could then be used as a place where people could debate
> the pros and cons of these and other proposed technical changes?
>
> cheers,
> Mathieu
> >
> > Hi, I am Maria and I like WYSIWYG.
> >
> > It sounds only slightly better than, "and I am an alcoholic" -
> > but there it
> > is. I am confident in my abilities to read code, to program and
> > even to do a
> > little computer science if needed. But I want to confess my love
> > of tools
> > like Wikispaces, Google Docs, Etherpad clones and Jing, because
> > they support
> > two things I do daily, in bulk:
> >
> > - Copying and pasting of content without reading code
> > - Inviting noobs to do one-time contributions
> >
> > I have been using Elluminate, provided free through
> > LearnCentral, to host
> > one-hour conversations about math communities:
> > http://mathfuture.wikispaces.com/events
> > For someone who has not done a webinar before, it typically
> > takes about half
> > an hour to configure the sound system and to try out the five relevant
> > moderator tools. As we do this training, we discuss the event,
> > so I feel it
> > is fair to ask for that time, in a live on-topic conversation.
> > But with
> > shorter contributions that don't focus the community limelight
> > on the
> > contributor quite as much as a hosted event, the ratio of
> > training/creationhas to be significantly smaller than 1/2.
> > Actually, I only feel comfortable
> > with one-liner training: "The edit button is at the top right" or
> > "Double-click anywhere to add your comment."
> >
> > I looked at the WYSIWYG versions of the pages linked in this
> > thread, and at
> > the first glance, they seemed "editable enough" with code pieces
> > marked as
> > <special>.
> >
> > The personal conflict expressed in this thread, and implications
> > for the
> > communities I am trying to build, makes me long for the
> > structure of the
> > World of Warcraft guild to which I belong: a benevolent
> > dictatorship. It
> > looks like p2p is going for a meritocracy, though, and currently two
> > different dimensions of merit, content and technological, are
> > clashing in a
> > rather scary manner.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Maria Droujkova
> >
> > Make math your own, to make your own math.
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> > Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:05:18 +0700
> > From: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [p2p-research] some wiki editing rules
> > To: p2p research network <p2presearch at listcultures.org>
> > Cc: james burke <lifesized at gmail.com>
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> > Hi Sam,
> >
> > I appreciate your work tremendously, and your always balanced
> > judgment, so
> > thanks with coming up with that solution,
> >
> > beyond any personal differences, james and I discussed a process,
> >
> > what I do not want is one peer setting the direction and
> > imposing solutions,
> > but of course, I have been doing this by default as well, being
> > the first,
> >
> > but time may be right for a technical 'commission', which discusses
> > technical improvements, and proposes it to the community for
> > discussion,
> > if the community feels something needs to change, say go to wikipedia
> > formatting instead of what we've done, even though I do not like this
> > personally, I would of course go along
> >
> > (this is just an example)
> >
> > but I do not wish one person to set the agenda and disempower me
> > totallywhen I oppose something,
> >
> > my concerns as main user certainly need to be heard and
> > acknowledged, not
> > necessary followed,
> >
> > a process would be the best to depersonalize conflicts,
> >
> > Michel
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Samuel Rose
> > <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 3:51 AM, Michel Bauwens
> > <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > Sam, I'm sorry, but this is a breaking point for me, this is
> > a hostile
> > > > takeover, and I can neither accept Alex's authority over me,
> > nor over the
> > > > community, I cannot accept such a stance and behaviour ..
> > > >
> > >
> > > Ok, no problem Michel. I thought I would take a crack at
> > trying to
> > > mediate the issue, and didn't want to just leave you hanging out
> > > alone. Yet, I can respect what you are saying here.
> > >
> > >
> > > > So, what do we do? This is one hundred percent incompatible
> > with all my
> > > > wishes for the P2P Foundation ..
> > > >
> > > > Is everybody else happy to live under the enligthened rule
> > of Mr. Alex
> > > > Rollin?
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'll defer to the direction you choose, Michel. P2P found is
> > your and
> > > James's creation, and I'll respect what you want to do with it.
> > >
> > >
> > > > I find it absolutely imperative that a second wiki fork is
> > created, if
> > > the
> > > > majority of people feel Alex' way is the future and they are
> > willing to
> > > > follow the new rules, they can join Alex, I don't even mind
> > that this
> > > would
> > > > be the first wiki,
> > > >
> > >
> > > I can think of maybe one more technical solution, which is
> > that a
> > > wysiwyg editor might be used, which will hide code, yet make it
> > > available for those who prefer code. You can still use markup inline
> > > while editing, I believe. Not saying this is the solution to the
> > > current problem at hand. But, could be worth thinking about
> > for the
> > > future. http://wikieducator.org uses it to try and bridge the gap
> > > between people who code with markup, and people who manage content
> > > without much markup (it gives a view of the content that
> > removes the
> > > markup while editing, usually). Just an idea.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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