[p2p-research] some wiki editing rules

Wed Aug 11 14:13:40 CEST 2010

Hi everyone

I don't contribute much (or at all) to the wiki but I support the work so here are my two cents:

-I dont think a fork would be useful - there should ideally be a compromise between WYSIWYG and more complex tools, perhaps an opt-in as suggested?

-it does sound like the project is experiencing growing pains and that perhaps more formal governance structures need to be set up (along with a specialised list?) to discuss these technical issues...

-alternatively or in addition: perhaps a page could be set up on the wiki explaining what the proposed changes are, compared to the existing situation; this page could then be used as a place where people could debate the pros and cons of these and other proposed technical changes? 

cheers,
Mathieu
> 
> Hi, I am Maria and I like WYSIWYG.
> 
> It sounds only slightly better than, "and I am an alcoholic" - 
> but there it
> is. I am confident in my abilities to read code, to program and 
> even to do a
> little computer science if needed. But I want to confess my love 
> of tools
> like Wikispaces, Google Docs, Etherpad clones and Jing, because 
> they support
> two things I do daily, in bulk:
> 
> - Copying and pasting of content without reading code
> - Inviting noobs to do one-time contributions
> 
> I have been using Elluminate, provided free through 
> LearnCentral, to host
> one-hour conversations about math communities:
> http://mathfuture.wikispaces.com/events
> For someone who has not done a webinar before, it typically 
> takes about half
> an hour to configure the sound system and to try out the five relevant
> moderator tools. As we do this training, we discuss the event, 
> so I feel it
> is fair to ask for that time, in a live on-topic conversation. 
> But with
> shorter contributions that don't focus the community limelight 
> on the
> contributor quite as much as a hosted event, the ratio of 
> training/creationhas to be significantly smaller than 1/2. 
> Actually, I only feel comfortable
> with one-liner training: "The edit button is at the top right" or
> "Double-click anywhere to add your comment."
> 
> I looked at the WYSIWYG versions of the pages linked in this 
> thread, and at
> the first glance, they seemed "editable enough" with code pieces 
> marked as
> <special>.
> 
> The personal conflict expressed in this thread, and implications 
> for the
> communities I am trying to build, makes me long for the 
> structure of the
> World of Warcraft guild to which I belong: a benevolent 
> dictatorship. It
> looks like p2p is going for a meritocracy, though, and currently two
> different dimensions of merit, content and technological, are 
> clashing in a
> rather scary manner.
> 
> Cheers,
> Maria Droujkova
> 
> Make math your own, to make your own math.
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> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:05:18 +0700
> From: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [p2p-research] some wiki editing rules
> To: p2p research network <p2presearch at listcultures.org>
> Cc: james burke <lifesized at gmail.com>
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> Hi Sam,
> 
> I appreciate your work tremendously, and your always balanced 
> judgment, so
> thanks with coming up with that solution,
> 
> beyond any personal differences, james and I discussed a process,
> 
> what I do not want is one peer setting the direction and 
> imposing solutions,
> but of course, I have been doing this by default as well, being 
> the first,
> 
> but time may be right for a technical 'commission', which discusses
> technical improvements, and proposes it to the community for 
> discussion,
> if the community feels something needs to change, say go to wikipedia
> formatting instead of what we've done, even though I do not like this
> personally, I would of course go along
> 
> (this is just an example)
> 
> but I do not wish one person to set the agenda and disempower me 
> totallywhen I oppose something,
> 
> my concerns as main user certainly need to be heard and 
> acknowledged, not
> necessary followed,
> 
> a process would be the best to depersonalize conflicts,
> 
> Michel
> 
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Samuel Rose 
> <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 3:51 AM, Michel Bauwens 
> <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > Sam, I'm sorry, but this is a breaking point for me, this is 
> a hostile
> > > takeover, and I can neither accept Alex's authority over me, 
> nor over the
> > > community, I cannot accept such a stance and behaviour ..
> > >
> >
> > Ok, no problem Michel. I thought I would take a crack at 
> trying to
> > mediate the issue, and didn't want to just leave you hanging out
> > alone. Yet, I can respect what you are saying here.
> >
> >
> > > So, what do we do? This is one hundred percent incompatible 
> with all my
> > > wishes for the P2P Foundation ..
> > >
> > > Is everybody else happy to live under the enligthened rule 
> of Mr. Alex
> > > Rollin?
> > >
> >
> > I'll defer to the direction you choose, Michel. P2P found is 
> your and
> > James's creation, and I'll respect what you want to do with it.
> >
> >
> > > I find it absolutely imperative that a second wiki fork is 
> created, if
> > the
> > > majority of people feel Alex' way is the future and they are 
> willing to
> > > follow the new rules, they can join Alex, I don't even mind 
> that this
> > would
> > > be the first wiki,
> > >
> >
> > I can think of maybe one more technical solution, which is 
> that a
> > wysiwyg editor might be used, which will hide code, yet make it
> > available for those who prefer code. You can still use markup inline
> > while editing, I believe. Not saying this is the solution to the
> > current problem at hand. But, could be worth thinking about 
> for the
> > future. http://wikieducator.org uses it to try and bridge the gap
> > between people who code with markup, and people who manage content
> > without much markup (it gives a view of the content that 
> removes the
> > markup while editing, usually). Just an idea.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Sam Rose
> > Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation
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> > email: samuel.rose at gmail.com
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> > ambition." - Carl Sagan
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