[p2p-research] some wiki editing rules

Mon Aug 9 10:21:59 CEST 2010

hi sam,

I spent another 15 minutes today just to get an article posted by Alex to
also show its categories ... there's so much code now on a page, lots of
dead links, and there was no visible sourcing on the visible page ...

I'm not blaming mistakes, but I don't see progress, when I can now post only
5 articles a day  instead of 30,

for me, the technological approach should be emergent and organic, see from
current practice how it can be improved, make sure everyone is on board,

it seems to me that the current vision is to imagine an idealized content
manufacturing system, based on heaving coding, and which makes participation
increasingly difficult, certainly on  my side, I am contemplating the
creation of two wiki's, and to let Alex run a separate p2pfoundation.com,
which he can automate at his heart's content

since alex think I should just adapt and learn to code myself, our
communication is not as smooth as it should be ...

what is the rationale for wikipedia stuff?

this was the 'historical practice': the  wiki is based on opportunistic
updating, this is, relevant quotations are puzzled together and grow
gradually into article combining various perspectives on a topic, a
wikipedia definition was occasionally included for clarity and introduction,
with just refernece to the rest of the article

the intent of the wikipedia, a universal neutral and self-written
encyclopedia, is entirely different from our wiki which was until now based
on collecting the external collective intelligence

alex is now creating a new layer with self-written articles on how to
proceed for p2p organisations, which I applaud, and it doesn't interfere
with the other layer of the wiki,

however, the  forced technologizing of the wiki is a different matter, it's
done without regard for previous need, based on a imposed idealistic vision
of how others should work, integrated without dialogue, and greatly
increases the difficulty of adding content ... it's in danger of creating
the same effect as what happens int he wikipedia, flat growth, and then
decline,

for me, and I've considered this formulation, it is the gravest existential
threat to the work I have undertaken so far, and this is why I feel so
strong about it,

I have often communicated with alex about not multiplying dead links,
sourcing the articles, and other simple rules, but alex does not seem to
agree with the old rules ... none of the old formats regarding
titles/subtiles etc... is respected, it seems that wikipedia's rules have
been introduced systematlically, but again this was never discussed

conversation with alex, I'm sorry to say, always ends in his concluding
remark, "this is how it should be done, and will be done from now on, get
over it" ...

I suppose this will lead to permanent trench warfare, and that I will go in
a regular rage because of the powerlessness I feel, and the threat it
represents to the wiki, as I see it,

Michel

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Alex Rollin <alex.rollin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > It's just wiki markup.
>
> Sounds to me, though, that it is not all decipherable by Michel.
>
> >Let me know when you run into a hiccup.
> > Broadcasting to this list won't get me to respond. I don't copy off
> > wikipedia for no reason.
>
> What is the rationale for including wikipedia stuff?
>
> >Check out the current inspiration for
> > Michel's comment here.
> >
> > http://p2pfoundation.net/Talk:State_Capitalism
> >
> > A
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear friends,
> >>
> >> I would like to remind contributors of the policy that was used in the
> last
> >> four years:
> >>
> >> 1) please no wholesale dumping of wikipedia entries
> >>
> >> 2) please, no dead links, do not create links to material which you do
> not
> >> intend to create immediately (I had to change an article that had about
> 40
> >> dead links)
> >>
> >> 3) adding tons of complicated code is making editing a huge headache, I
> am
> >> now spending 15 minutes editing articles which used to take 30 seconds
> ...
> >> it's a huge drain on productivity
> >>
> >> I'm very close to feeling that my practice is incompatible with that of
> Alex
> >> Rollin (sorry Alex, but I got to say this), and that we will need two
> wikis,
> >> one where the geeks amongst us can play at their hearts content, and one
> >> which keeps the simplicity of organization and procedure which lead to
> >> 12,000 articlds and 13 million pageviews in 4 years.
> >>
> >> Michel
> >>
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