[p2p-research] semantic wiki extension

Mon Aug 2 15:56:31 CEST 2010

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
> well, I do have some issues with it ...
>
> we had a taxonomical system, represented by the three columns of the main
> wiki page, and the geographic distinctions
>
> i.e. internal material, topical material, and format categories
>
> most of your contributions and new category tags are internal material,
> which was not existent before, so I'm happy with that, though I won't use
> them much myself,
>
> but then, in your proposed
> http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:P2P_Resource_Collections you mix both
> topics and formats, and I don't think that is a good idea ...
>
> personally, I see our minds functioning very differently, and it is true
> that the wiki presently corresponds to a particular way of thinking, and
> probably my librarian thinking ...
>

I've seen this dynamic arise in many wiki communities in the past. It
is inevitable if more than one participant has a strong desire to
affect the info architecture of the wiki.

This problem is a social negotiation problem, and I'd like to
recommend that changes to category structures be frozen or stopped
(including work on semantic wiki extensions), until all participants
in the management of that part of the wiki have time to come to a
mutual understanding, and perhaps in the process create some simple
community rules and guidelines around how the taxonomies are
architected. There are at least 3 major stakeholders here (Michel,
Alex Rollins, James Burke) perhaps others that I am not aware of.

Perhaps one rule could be:

Discuss/debate, formulate a working process, then change (rather than
change -> discuss/debate).

Perhaps changes to our wiki that are disputed could also be mediated
(this may already be happening with discussion from James Burke).

In http://communitywiki.org we ended up creating
http://www.communitywiki.org/CommunityWikiBylaws to create a fair way
to co-govern, and it worked very well (we even used a system similar
to Henrik Ingo's delegations for people not present :-D )

> but I feel that most new categories are not obvious for me, and represent a
> particular Rollin point of view, the problem is that they are now not
> accessible via the main page, so people have to be in the know, which is why
> I proposed that you add your own subcolumn on the left side
>  I hope that Alex and Michel continue this dialogue

> so I feel,
>
> that most rollin categories should be under subcategory one, the internal
> stack
>
> that the others should either be under topic or format
>
> and geography and languages are added aspects of any article
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Alex Rollin <alex.rollin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Returning to this thread, I offer a durable taxonomical system for the
>> wiki that can be expanded to include additional collections.
>>  http://p2pfoundation.net/P2P_Foundation_Wiki_Taxonomy
>> Additions, corrections and changes are welcome.
>>
>> I do believe that the Semantic extension could be more at home now.
>> DynamicPageList is now functioning and can provide a few of the automated
>> lists needed as more structure and templates are added.  Several forms are
>> now being used to allow users to add templated articles for common uses, and
>> these articles would be much more re-usable if they were done with SMW.
>> Many of the most complex pages then could be rendered automatically
>> instead of with tedious tables and such. Many of the most beautiful pages
>> are out of date now for this reason.   I suspect that the lengthy html, so
>> easily destroyed, is one of the primary reasons for this.
>> Because the wiki is not installed in a folder many of the JS functions
>> were not working previously. In the near future I suspect that the site will
>> need to be served from http://p2pfoundation.net/wiki/ in order to upgrade
>> and make use of additional Usability improvement extensions.
>> A
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> hi thomas,
>>>
>>> I trust you and kasper,
>>>
>>> but I do prefer trying things on the copy wiki first, just to make sure
>>> ... I wouldn't want to mess up the 10,000 pages of content and the
>>> experience with new tech is pretty consistently that there are always bugs
>>> ... which geeks like to solve but I don't <g>
>>>
>>> but feel free to port when you feel the whole thing is mature,
>>>
>>> and to create a technical mailing list,
>>>
>>> Michel
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Thomas Kalka
>>> <thomas.kalka at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Michel:
>>>> > my problem is that I really don't have time for experimentation and
>>>> > sandboxes, I just can't keep up with publishing and communication demands
>>>> > ... also, even with the examples you've send me, I still have a hard time
>>>> > understanding what it is for,
>>>>  >perhaps Eli would like to experiment, with some concrete things
>>>> related to the new sections he's creating on transportation etc ... Eli is
>>>> quite active too now,
>>>> If you delegate, you have to trust ;-)
>>>>
>>>> If I get the account  data, I will install the enhancements on the main
>>>> site.
>>>>
>>>> We can switch everything back any time anyway.
>>>>
>>>> In addition we should create a mailinglist for people working on
>>>> p2pfoundation infrastracture (wiki/website etc).
>>>>
>>>> --toka
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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