[p2p-research] Concerning wikiworld and its use of socialist terminology

Michel Bauwens michelsub2004 at gmail.com
Fri Apr 30 06:54:12 CEST 2010


see http://p2pfoundation.net/Stigmergy and thesis:
http://p2pfoundation.net/Stigmergic_Collaboration on the topic, by our
friend Mark Elliot,

Michel

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 4:17 AM, Daniel Araya <levelsixmedia at hotmail.com>wrote:

> "Stigmergy". Love it. thanks
>
> D
>
> > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 12:52:32 -0500
> > From: free.market.anticapitalist at gmail.com
> > To: p2presearch at listcultures.org
> > Subject: Re: [p2p-research] Concerning wikiworld and its use of socialist
> terminology
>
> >
> > On 4/28/10, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Daniel Araya April 29 at 12:12am
> > >
> > > I'm talking about confusing p2p with communism. One is an emergent form
> (growing out of the real capacities of networks--- collective intelligence).
> The other is a romantic vision for a secular paradise of worker coops. They
> may be parallel but in my mind they're not the same.
> > >
> > > Don't be offended. Just reacting to the liberal use of the word
> 'communism' in that wikiworld book.
> > >
> >
> > It seems to me that a lot of the juxtapositions of "individual
> > authorial voice" and the "collective," in critiques of "Digital
> > communism/Maoism" like those of Lanier, Helprin, etc., miss the point.
> >
> > The Web is not "collective" in the traditional sense of the
> > term--i.e., as it was understood in the days before networked
> > organization, when "collective" action could be taken only through
> > large institutions representing some collective of human beings and
> > coordinated by a hierarchy, in which each individual's freedom of
> > initiative was limited by the coordination of a central authority.
> >
> > It is stigmergic, which synthesizes the highest development of both
> > the collective and individualism. It maximizes the efficiency of
> > collective action by removing the transaction costs of voluntary
> > cooperation. But at the same time, it is entirely a sum total of free
> > individual actions, taken by individuals on their own initiative and
> > without anyone else's permission. The sum total effect is created by
> > individuals coordinating their own unconstrained actions with the
> > common goal as they understand it.
> >
> > Under stigmergic organization, any individual can formulate any
> > individual innovation he sees fit, and make it universally available,
> > and any other individual or group of individuals can adopt it as they
> > see fit. If there is disagreement within a group as to whether or not
> > to adopt it, they can fork and replicate two different versions of the
> > same project. Every single "collective" is the product of the
> > unanimous agreement of the individuals making it up. And every single
> > contribution is modular, to be adopted or not adopted by unanimous
> > consent in every discrete grouping out there.
> >
> > So stigmergy is the highest realization of both individualism and
> > collectivism, without either diminishing or qualifying the other in
> > any way.
> > --
> > Kevin Carson
> > Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org
> > Mutualist Blog:  Free Market Anti-Capitalism
> > http://mutualist.blogspot.com
> > The Homebrew Industrial Revolution:  A Low-Overhead Manifesto
> > http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com
> > Organization Theory:  A Libertarian Perspective
> >
> http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/12/studies-in-anarchist-theory-of.html
> >
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