[p2p-research] Is the future of distributed manufacturing in China?

[Michel Bauwens]

Hi Ryan,

I copy to Daniel, who has a similar mindset to yours, but doesn't believe in
smallness yet,

as for the redshirts, they are actually mostly enterpreneurs and they want
democracy and capitalism, and they are battling feudal restraints. The only
thing they are asking is for a free election, too much to ask?

would you like them to just acquiesce in their loss of any influence over
the system altogether, after having briefly tasted an enterpreneurial
feature before 2006?

Coops are fine and interesting, but you can't completely shut out politics,

what is needed are integrative politics, because if you don't, they'll
simply outlaw your coops,

Michel




On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>  On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> thanks Ryan, very useful comments
>>
>> would you consider yourself an optimist or a pessmist (forbidden answer:
>> "I'm a realist" <g>)
>>
>>
>>
> Hi Michel,
>
> You know me too well...I am a realist!
>
> BUT given your constraint, I am increasingly optimistic.  The Make Magazine
> culture is rising fast and it is moving into biotech and electronics at a
> furious rate...particularly in the Pacific rim.
>
> I think the future increasingly looks Chinese.  It is small systems based,
> low margin and high tech.  It looks more like the Middle Ages in economic
> terms than now.  Big firms are screwed.  They need major money projects
> which draw competitors and their are fewer barriers to entry so Google and
> Apple beat each others brains out and the consumer mostly wins.  Soon this
> will happen in medicine and similar areas.  Big drug firms are dying for
> similar reasons.  Everything is going small.
>
> There will be great poverty in places that "drop out."  The answer is
> tinkering, co-ops, tech learning and investment, and innovation.  The answer
> is decidedly not, low work, low merit-based sharing systems.  That will lead
> to great suffering...as it has for some time.
>
> My advice to developing places is make stuff rich people want.  Brazil,
> Switzerland, Northern Italy, Finland, parts of France and Germany, Belgium,
> Malaysia, Singapore, parts of Japan and China, California, Vermont, North
> Carolina, parts of Texas and a few others are doing this.
>
> Those stuck on anti-colonial and anti-capitalism modes of discourse will
> bring extreme pain and poverty to those they seek to "serve."  Those who
> build tech and know-how and then give it away are heros.  Our friend Sam and
> his associates are the model.  We need to replicate that 50,000 times.  The
> red shirts are the evil.  Their pain and hope is just, but their methods and
> approaches are destructive.  The answer is the co-op in the Andies...work
> hard, work smart, be innovative, have fun, tinker, make and enjoy a life of
> the mind in a rapidly changing world where information is readily available
> to all.  I think people are starting to do that...giving up on social
> security systems, etc. and government hand-outs and overpaid civil service
> and university jobs that add little or no value.
>
> Ryan
>
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