[p2p-research] [OK] Re: [VBbuilders] Why and how work together?

[Michel Bauwens]

there are many structural problems against the success of coops, which means
they have to develop their own ecology against initial resistance of the
system ... nevertheless, after a long period of stagnation and
neoliberalisation of the coop movement, steam is again picking up, including
in thailand,

ryan, see the article on agriculture that I put in the blog 2 days ago, it's
very interesting, and indicative of what is happening,

coops are already the largest employer in the world, beyond the number of
all multinationals put together,

Michel

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>  On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> We've done some preliminary work on this with
>> http://code.google.com/p/knowledge-commons/  there is much more work
>> to be done. If people in the community would fund even a modest amount
>> of work, we could really do some spectacular stuff with Knowledge
>> Commons (beyond just distributing data)
>>
>>
>
> There are two things commonly missing from free and open source work: 1.)
> Overall design. 2) Integration.  Really they are one in the same.  What
> profit does very well is to create incentives for big plans/solutions and to
> motivate people to attempt to solve big plans and solutions.  The
> individualism of P2P tends to rely on stigmergy as a solution.  Trouble is,
> stigmergy is not very efficient in time use or resource use.
>
> Sam's solution seems to bridge the two...which is to say, it is the same
> solution as many other nonprofit foundations--using management technology
> along side free/open source strategies.  In a sense, this makes the commons
> more important, and P2P less important.  I'm not sure that's not the way to
> go in general.
>
> I'm really starting to think that the bloom is off individualism; that
> management as a technology has won, and that free is inevitable.  The last
> piece of the equation I cannot solve is why co-ops are not spontaneously
> developing all over.  The thing in the high Andes that Michel forwarded
> makes utter sense to me.  Why don't the red shirts in Thailand do a thousand
> of those?  There must be a technology or know-how that is involved in making
> something like that work that is more complex than it seems from the
> outside.  My guess is that most organizations tend to be too utopian and too
> democratic and thus fail like the 60s US commune movement to be an
> attractive place to exist even for those so inclined.
>
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