[p2p-research] Fwd: - Film : SILENCE, ON VACCINE "/ "SHOTS IN THE DARK

Sun Sep 27 06:23:27 CEST 2009

Hi Ryan,

I added your reference in the comment field ... Again, our remit is not to
discuss the pro and con's of vaccines, but to reference their p2p aspects
... people can make up their own minds ... thanks for presenting the
mainstream science sources on this!!

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Michel,
>
> Respectful Insolence is a major pro-vaccine site...and compelling (at least
> to me)...it is sometimes called "Orac"
>
>
> http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/02/best_pro-vaccine_commercial_ever.php
>
> The whole scienceblogs community is very pro-vaccine and they have great
> fun lampooning the Hollywood types who often come out linking vaccines to
> autism, etc.
>
> I have great respect for Sepp and reasonable people can disagree, but the
> science community...the academics, practitioners and researchers all, seem
> very vocal and agitated to be pro-vaccine.  They have repeatedly debunked
> claims against vaccines...and there are literally hundreds of studies.  No
> compelling evidence to date I know of against standard vaccines.
>
> As I said, it is a topic with a great deal of sources...as I see them, I'll
> begin to refer them here so chains can begin.
>
> I'd consider it to be far less contraversial than, say, nuclear power,
> where I have learned a lot from following both sides in association from
> comments and passions of people here.  I am still pro-nuclear, but much less
> so than I was a year ago.  Maybe there is room on vaccines for moving people
> one way or the other.
>
> If people are unwilling to consider contras, debate becomes meaningless.
> Sadly, the US political system is often in that mode now...ideology against
> ideology or...ideology against fact-based...depending on one's point of
> view.
>
> Ryan
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:40 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Ryan,
>>
>> you may be very busy, but mentioning those other sources would be positive
>> to enrich the debate from the other side,
>>
>> Michel
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 1:26 AM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I am no expert on this topic, but I do know that a fair number (at least
>>> 3-4) of the major physician bloggers (e.g. Chad Orzel) are very vocal in
>>> attacking anti-vaccine arguments and characterize them as essentially
>>> equivalent to parents not seeking medical aid for their children.  I do not
>>> have strong feelings on this one, but I am aware of the argument for those
>>> who wish to dig deeper.  It is a frequently blog topic on several science
>>> blogs.
>>>
>>> Ryan
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Michel Bauwens <
>>> michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> thanks Sepp, hope you can find the time for a little write-up,
>>>>
>>>> Michel
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Sepp Hasslberger <sepp at lastrega.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I found the video in English as well. It's on YouTube as a series of
>>>>> shorter segments, starting with this one:
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7F62tPLxvE&feature=player_embedded
>>>>>
>>>>> The wikipedia article is strongly biased in a pro-vaccination
>>>>> direction, which I would regard as a violation of wikipedia's own
>>>>> point-of-view policy. The article makes nothing of the concerns of those who
>>>>> challenge the wisdom of vaccination, while regurgitating the pro-vaccine
>>>>> propaganda, even in the images associated with the article. Typical for
>>>>> wikipedia.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the suppression - it seems that the documentary was made for
>>>>> Canadian TV, and the suppression consists of it never having been shown on
>>>>> the public TV network, but it does seem to be freely available on the
>>>>> internet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Something on the growing vaccine skepticism network on the web ...
>>>>> perhaps I can get to that these next days.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>> Sepp
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  On 24/set/09, at 15:28, Dante-Gabryell Monson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I notice there is also a page on wikipedia :
>>>>>
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_controversy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Michel Bauwens <
>>>>> michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Sepp,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the commentary seems to imply that this video is suppressed from
>>>>>> distribution somehow .. it's a documentary about neurological problems
>>>>>> involving vaccines ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder if you could not write up something about the growing vaccine
>>>>>> scepticism movement on the web, if you have time,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante at ecobytes.net>
>>>>>> Date: 2009/9/24
>>>>>> Subject: Fwd: - Film : SILENCE, ON VACCINE "/ "SHOTS IN THE DARK
>>>>>> To: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Silence On Vaccine
>>>>>> 51:21 - 6 months ago
>>>>>> Silence On Vaccine 09-12-2008
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SORTIE DVD : "SILENCE, ON VACCINE "/ "SHOTS IN THE DARK"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8503852033482537965#
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sortie DVD du film "SILENCE ON VACCINE"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IMPORTANT :
>>>>>>  L'ONF a permis la sortie du documentaire sous  condition qu'aucune
>>>>>> personne,
>>>>>> aucun commerce,  ne puisse acquérir le film pour la revente.  De plus
>>>>>> aucune publicité ne sera faite
>>>>>> pour faire connaître la sortie DVD.
>>>>>> Conséquemment la population ne sera pas informée de la sortie du
>>>>>> documentaire.
>>>>>> Pour cette raison, je vous remercie de faire parvenir ce courriel à
>>>>>> tous vos contacts, que
>>>>>> l’information circule, et que la sortie du documentaire ne reste pas
>>>>>> sous silence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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