[p2p-research] Information Feudalism

[Nathan Cravens]

Hi Paul,
Yes. With P2P, users are the infrastructure. Well said.

There will be a need for powering autonomously driven vehicles (some very
tiny to very large like a 777 or cargo ship) to distribute physical packets.
If hydrogen can be created and captured without cost, after the energy
producing product surfaces, might this fuel these vehicles in the same
cost-free manner?

Nathan



On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Paul B. Hartzog <paulbhartzog at gmail.com>wrote:

> One of the key elements of p2p is the end of the distinction between
> infrastructure and users.
> Under p2p the users BECOME the infrastructure.
>
> Examples could include the way skype routes packets for other skypers,
> or current ideas on using cell phones to route for other cell phones,
> eliminating towers.
>
> P2P infrastructures requires ubiquity, though, so for instances where
> ubiquity is not
> present (or likely) then you have to fall back on constructing
> classical infrastructure.
>
> I have talked with Ryan about p2p energy (OTEC),
> which could also be used for other things once the mesh exists,
> as could airships.
>
> By way of analogy
> imagine that every car was a router/server and the Internet was
> nothing other than
> the combined mass of these elements with no backbone to speak of.
>
> In the long run, all devices on the planet (or off) should be able to
> server and route
> for every other object.
>
> This is one of the goals of the Flows specification.
>
> -Paul
>
> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Nathan Cravens<knuggy at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hmm... so what would something like this cost before and after R&D?
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratellite
> >>
> >>  Nathan
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Heh, that is an interesting question, as part of R&D would presumably
> > be to see how low you might get the cost :-)
> >
> > I can imagine that at least a working system that could cover maybe
> > 500 kilometers could have been made with just the PR budget, and
> > combined salaries of the executives of that company discussed in the
> > wikipedia article :-)
> >
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