[p2p-research] CAD files at The PIrate Bay? (Follow up)

Wed Oct 28 21:50:27 CET 2009

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sam, Kevin,
>
> any chance to summarize/formalize the arguments against the use of patents
> on this small-scale local manufacturing (though I find small scale
> misleading, since what open manufacturing allows is the global scaling of
> coordination and sharing of the knowledge and the designs)? I'm thinking of
> an article: Why We Do Not Need Patents for Local  Open Manufacturing
>
> Sam: I'm also interested in drawing out more precisely what you mean by
> this:
>
> - This is not a role based economy, it's an activity based economy
>

What I mean here is that in traditional economics people are often
assigned a narrow role. Examples include "consumer", "producer",
"marketer" etc

In the economies we are discussing, one person could easily take on
all of these roles, now that they have access to all of the tools that
empower them to do so. In fact, this is what is increasinging
happening.

So, the "role" becomes less important, and the activity that a person
is currently doing at (producing) becomes more important in what is
emerging.

> (I'm more familiar with the 'contributions' analogy so far)
>
> Michel
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hey Kevin,
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Kevin Carson
>> <free.market.anticapitalist at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On 10/23/09, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> This partnership stuff is actually happening now, and I am starting to
>> >>  develop alternative models where independents work as a team in
>> >>  coworking spaces (or other similar spaces) to fully develop
>> >>  technologies for localized use. Makers are part of the teams (which
>> >>  can be ad-hoc) and stand to be reciprocated more out of this
>> >>  arrangement than being an outsourcing resource for larger companies.
>> >>
>> >>  This means that the other people in the local economies "team" need to
>> >>  fill the role of researching emerging markets, design, connecting with
>> >>  local stakeholders, raising needed resources, project management,
>> >>  coordination of iterative development, managing the digital resources
>> >>  etc
>> >>
>> >>  The above is not so much as projection of the landscape of garage
>> >>  manufacturing trends, as an actual model that we are applying here in
>> >>  midwest region to local economies. So, I am both "making" myself, plus
>> >>  looking to work with "makers" in this region, and focusing on Urban
>> >>  Agriculture, "green" energy, automation systems, and general rapid
>> >>  prototyping fabrication capabilities
>> >
>> > So how does this play out in your experience, with regard to the
>> > patent issue?  Does your bottom-up federative system have some use for
>> > patents, or would it be economically worthwhile to invest in patents
>> > shared by a large networked pool of on-demand producers?  And are
>> > there capitalization issues for which such a networked form is
>> > insufficient compared to traditional "outsource" patronage by a
>> > conventional manufacturing corp?
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> It may seem dogmatic, but I think that usually for the problems we are
>> focused on, patents and traditional captial (with it's traditional
>> expectations of very rapid money ROI) tend to be non-appropriate for
>> localized economies/commons based business models.
>>
>> Removing patent gives rapid ROI on many forms of wealth, including
>> money. A group of people on local scales may not invest in technology
>> development solely as a capital venture. Often, it is an investment to
>> gain the capacities the technology affords (food, energy, physical
>> object and rapid prototype produciton). Patents block the flow on this
>> scale, and the costs associated are a barrier to entry. The business
>> model on this scale is at the point of consumption (but one person may
>> be producer, processor, distributor, and consumer. This is not a role
>> based economy, it's an activity based economy)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > --
>> > Kevin Carson
>> > Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org
>> > Mutualist Blog:  Free Market Anti-Capitalism
>> > http://mutualist.blogspot.com
>> > Studies in Mutualist Political Economy
>> > http://www.mutualist.org/id47.html
>> > Organization Theory:  A Libertarian Perspective
>> >
>> > http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/12/studies-in-anarchist-theory-of.html
>> >
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