[p2p-research] CAD files at The PIrate Bay? (Follow up)

[Michel Bauwens]

Sam, Kevin,

any chance to summarize/formalize the arguments against the use of patents
on this small-scale local manufacturing (though I find small scale
misleading, since what open manufacturing allows is the global scaling of
coordination and sharing of the knowledge and the designs)? I'm thinking of
an article: Why We Do Not Need Patents for Local  Open Manufacturing

Sam: I'm also interested in drawing out more precisely what you mean by
this:

- This is not a role based economy, it's an activity based economy

(I'm more familiar with the 'contributions' analogy so far)

Michel

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Kevin,
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Kevin Carson
> <free.market.anticapitalist at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 10/23/09, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> This partnership stuff is actually happening now, and I am starting to
> >>  develop alternative models where independents work as a team in
> >>  coworking spaces (or other similar spaces) to fully develop
> >>  technologies for localized use. Makers are part of the teams (which
> >>  can be ad-hoc) and stand to be reciprocated more out of this
> >>  arrangement than being an outsourcing resource for larger companies.
> >>
> >>  This means that the other people in the local economies "team" need to
> >>  fill the role of researching emerging markets, design, connecting with
> >>  local stakeholders, raising needed resources, project management,
> >>  coordination of iterative development, managing the digital resources
> >>  etc
> >>
> >>  The above is not so much as projection of the landscape of garage
> >>  manufacturing trends, as an actual model that we are applying here in
> >>  midwest region to local economies. So, I am both "making" myself, plus
> >>  looking to work with "makers" in this region, and focusing on Urban
> >>  Agriculture, "green" energy, automation systems, and general rapid
> >>  prototyping fabrication capabilities
> >
> > So how does this play out in your experience, with regard to the
> > patent issue?  Does your bottom-up federative system have some use for
> > patents, or would it be economically worthwhile to invest in patents
> > shared by a large networked pool of on-demand producers?  And are
> > there capitalization issues for which such a networked form is
> > insufficient compared to traditional "outsource" patronage by a
> > conventional manufacturing corp?
> >
>
>
>
>
> It may seem dogmatic, but I think that usually for the problems we are
> focused on, patents and traditional captial (with it's traditional
> expectations of very rapid money ROI) tend to be non-appropriate for
> localized economies/commons based business models.
>
> Removing patent gives rapid ROI on many forms of wealth, including
> money. A group of people on local scales may not invest in technology
> development solely as a capital venture. Often, it is an investment to
> gain the capacities the technology affords (food, energy, physical
> object and rapid prototype produciton). Patents block the flow on this
> scale, and the costs associated are a barrier to entry. The business
> model on this scale is at the point of consumption (but one person may
> be producer, processor, distributor, and consumer. This is not a role
> based economy, it's an activity based economy)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > --
> > Kevin Carson
> > Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org
> > Mutualist Blog:  Free Market Anti-Capitalism
> > http://mutualist.blogspot.com
> > Studies in Mutualist Political Economy
> > http://www.mutualist.org/id47.html
> > Organization Theory:  A Libertarian Perspective
> >
> http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/12/studies-in-anarchist-theory-of.html
> >
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