[p2p-research] P2P Ideology

[Samuel Rose]

Ryan, you are totally right.

Here's a page I wrote a while back
http://communitywiki.org/LiteracyOfHumanNature

If you look through that page, you'll see that I describe human nature
and organism and environment (which includes everything that is in the
environment of the human)

It is modeling what the human believes that she or he is doing to
solve their fundamental problems of existence. it is asking "why is
this person doing this?" and trying to see the world through *their*
lens

So, *where* there are humans that possess a post-human worldview, than
this is what I would model in this type of psychology. But, where
humans do not see this, then it is not part of *their* nature (even if
it really is, and they don't realize it)

never the less, humans are definitely part of a larger system, and we
agree on that point

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:
> It is a great quote.  I wonder Sam about your use of the term human nature.
> Is there still human?  Is it distinct from other natures?  Not a
> challenge...a thought aloud.  Sooner or later, like actor-network-theory, we
> are going to have to admit other things into our networks besides humans.
> What that means is still tender moral ground.
>
> Ryan
>
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Paul D. Fernhout
>> <pdfernhout at kurtz-fernhout.com> wrote:
>> > But, I can see that codifying things in that direction would be
>> > alienating
>> > to many enmeshed in the current systems. And it might also not be
>> > accurate
>> > enough. Again, Manuel de Landa:
>> >  http://www.t0.or.at/delanda/meshwork.htm
>> > "Indeed, one must resist the temptation to make hierarchies into
>> > villains
>> > and meshworks into heroes, not only because, as I said, they are
>> > constantly
>> > turning into one another, but because in real life we find only mixtures
>> > and
>> > hybrids, and the properties of these cannot be established through
>> > theory
>> > alone but demand concrete experimentation."
>> >
>>
>> This quote is really great, thanks for sharing it, Paul.
>>
>> Human nature is emergent, adaptive. Indeed, as we are moving into an
>> era that lowers the barrier of entry to basic infrastructure, we'll
>> see:
>>
>> - retrieval of long dormant social/cultural/political systems
>>
>> - admixture/hybridization of those systems with more generically
>> identifiable homogeneous social structures
>>
>> Mass cultures are evolving into thousands and eventually millions, of
>> new local cultures as different segments of mass culture collapse
>> (media, manufacturing, food production, etc). Those new local cultures
>> are admixture/hybrids of many mesh/hierarchies. Even one person may
>> participate in many of these networks. This is what is making what is
>> emerging difficult to see, to categorize for governments, large
>> businesses, market researchers, academics, etc (not that they should
>> be categorized, but categorization has been the norm for a long time,
>> and it increasingly is difficult to apply).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > --Paul Fernhout
>> > http://www.pdfernhout.net/
>> >
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