[p2p-research] P2P Ideology

[Michel Bauwens]

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Some essays that should be undertaken:
>
> 1. The Role of the Self in P2P Frameworks
>

see http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Relational and
http://del.icio.us/mbauwens/P2P-Subjectivity (and
http://del.icio.us/mbauwens/P2P-Intersubjectivity )


> 2. When is Sharing Unnatural, and is that OK?
>

when it is coerced, and: no


> 3. Where does P2P Break with Post-Modernism?
>


post-modernism is essentially a deconstruction of modernist assumptions, p2p
is reconstructive of what comes after modernism. I have a summary treatment
of this here at http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=102


> 4. Is Cleverness implicitly Immoral in Human Interactions?  Some Evidence
> from P2P Philosophy
> 5. Is P2P Philosophy Tolerant?
>

yes, but it does not tolerate what impunges on human dignity


> 6. Why did Wikipedia Become Elitist on the Production Side...and is this a
> Lesson for P2P?
>

my thesis: the unnecessary creation of artificial scarcity; lesson: not to
create it when not necessary, and where necessary, have democratic
procedures and due process instead of a cliquish tyranny of
structurelessness ..



> 7. Balancing Quality and Participation on the Commons
> 8. How does Judgment Work in P2P Systems?
>

it is essentially post-hoc ... see
http://del.icio.us/mbauwens/Collective-Choice-Systems


> 9. Where can P2P not Co-Exist with something else?
>

it already does, unless it is actively suppressed


> 10. Why is a Wiki not a Book?
>
> Ryan
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 7:38 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Nicely put Ryan, and as was said from Linux and Wikipedia, "it's not
>> supposed to work", but that only goes if you hold the erroneous neoliberal
>> and neoclassical point of view of the human being ..
>>
>> thanks Sam for your details about Graves and complexity
>>
>>   On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I'd put it this way:
>>>
>>> P2P systems attempt to function with minimal centralization and
>>> complexity so as to reduce governance organs, elite associations or
>>> exclusive licensing in favor of personal interactions.  Sharing is
>>> prioritized over personal gain as a basic ethos.  Other basic ethical tenets
>>> include avoidance of exploitation of the environment, labor or commons for
>>> self-gain.
>>>
>>> P2P frameworks avoid religious, political or cultural norms that do not
>>> specifically advance the interests of the commons.  Where such norms come
>>> into conflict with thhe commons, those who hold to a P2P ethos favor the
>>> commons first and their own belief systems subsequently.
>>>
>>> Thus, P2P is inherently social, but it makes no demands on the ethic of
>>> the individual to share by force.  Instead, it seeks to establish strong
>>> normative rules for participation and sharing with minimal use of central
>>> governance or power to achieve normative aims.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would add that to me that sounds like an unworkable utopian philosophy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think p2p worldview is a route to solving problems of existence by
>>>>> recognizing that you can gain now by all gaining now (as opposed to in
>>>>> the future, or afterlife, etc). This in turn starts to create an
>>>>> environment where people who are more "self"-oriented can operate in
>>>>> their own so-called "selfish" interests, yet their actions will not
>>>>> tend to be at the expense of others.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> It sounds remarkably like the writings of Adam Smith.
>>>>
>>>> Ryan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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