[p2p-research] P2P Ideology
Michel Bauwens
michelsub2004 at gmail.com
Sat Oct 24 14:33:38 CEST 2009
good suggestion Ryan ... did you see the little ;new age; video I made,
which explicitates the value statements inherent in p2p?
Michel
On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Michel,
>
> Right. I suppose my new position is that ethics is politics and politics
> is ethics. Not original or even insightful, but that's my current stand.
>
> I suppose as a P2P leader, someday you should take a crack at a political
> weltanschauung for P2P.
>
> R.
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> OK Ryan, I get it now <g> ... you worked on a p2p ethics project a while
>> back, but here you call for something more explicitely political?
>>
>> I also have a set of political thesis somewhere, but these are more
>> analytical than prescriptive ...
>>
>> Michel
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 4:46 AM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Michel:
>>>
>>> Your query is to Athina, but let me say this: There is the Foundation
>>> and there is the ideology of P2P. The foundation is an institution in a
>>> certain legal, social and political space. But then there is a separate
>>> discussion about the political philosophy and political economy of P2P. It
>>> is, to me, neither communism nor capitalism, as I have written in the blog.
>>> It is a new way...but its boundaries with those others must be clear and the
>>> commonalities and shared spaces also clear.
>>>
>>> That manifesto of what is "p2p" is where we are challenged.
>>>
>>> Ryan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Michel Bauwens <
>>> michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> how would you like to approach this discussion on broadness?
>>>>
>>>> the following still has 'broad validity' to me:
>>>>
>>>> Mission and Objectives
>>>>
>>>> *The Foundation for P2P Alternatives<http://p2pfoundation.net/The_Foundation_for_P2P_Alternatives>
>>>> * proposes to be a meeting place for those who can broadly agree with
>>>> the following propositions, which are also argued in the essay or book in
>>>> progress, P2P and Human Evolution:
>>>>
>>>> - that peer-to-peer based technology reflects a change of
>>>> consciousness towards participation, and in turn strengthens it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - that the "distributed network" format, expressed in the specific
>>>> manner of peer to peer relations, is a new form of political organizing and
>>>> subjectivity, and an alternative for the current political/economic order,
>>>> which though it does not offer solutions per se, points the way to a variety
>>>> of dialogical and self-organizing formats, i.e. it represents different
>>>> processes for arriving at such solutions; it ushers in a era of
>>>> ‘nonrepresentational democracy’, where an increasing number of people are
>>>> able to manage their social and productive life through the use of a variety
>>>> of autonomous and interdependent networks and peer circles; that global
>>>> governance, and the global market will be, and will have to be, more
>>>> influenced by modes of governance involving multistakeholdership
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - that it creates a new public domain, an information commons, which
>>>> should be protected and extended, especially in the domain of common
>>>> knowledge creation; and that this domain, where the cost of reproducing
>>>> knowledge is near zero, requires fundamental changes in the intellectual
>>>> property regime, as reflected by new forms such as the free software
>>>> movement; that universal common property regimes, i.e. modes of peer
>>>> property, such as the General Public Licese and the Creative Commons
>>>> licenses should be promoted and extended
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - that the principles developed by the free software movement, in
>>>> particular the General Public License, and the general principles behind the
>>>> open source and open access movements, provides for models that could be
>>>> used in other areas of social and productive life
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - that it reconnects with the older traditions and attempts for a
>>>> more cooperative social order, but this time obviates the need for
>>>> authoritarianism and centralization; it has the potential of showing that
>>>> the new more egalitarian digital culture, is connected to the older
>>>> traditions of cooperation of the workers and peasants, and to the search for
>>>> an engaged and meaningful life as expressed in one’s work, which becomes an
>>>> expression of individual and collective creativity, rather than as a
>>>> salaried means of survival
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - that it offers youth a vision of renewal and hope, to create a
>>>> world that is more in tune with their values; that it creates a new language
>>>> and discourse in tune with the new historical phase of ‘cognitive
>>>> capitalism’; P2P is a language which every ‘digital youngster’ can
>>>> understand. However, 'peer to peer theory' addresses itself not just to the
>>>> network-enabled and to knowledge workers, but to the whole of civil society
>>>> (the 'multitudes'), and to whoever agrees that the core of decision-making
>>>> should be located in civil society, and not in the market or in the state,
>>>> and that the latters should be the servants of civil society
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - it combines subjectivity (new values), intersubjectivity (new
>>>> relations), objectivity (an enabling technology) and interobjectivity (new
>>>> forms of organization) that mutually strengthen each other in a positive
>>>> feedback loop, and it is clearly on the offensive and growing, but lacking
>>>> ‘political self-consciousness’. It is this form of awareness that the P2P
>>>> Foundation wants to promote.
>>>>
>>>> *The Foundation for P2P Alternatives<http://p2pfoundation.net/The_Foundation_for_P2P_Alternatives>
>>>> * would address the following issues:
>>>>
>>>> - P2P currently exists in discrete separate movements and projects
>>>> but these different movements are often unaware of the common P2P ethos that
>>>> binds them
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - thus, there is a need for a common initiative, which
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. brings information together;
>>>> 2. connects people and mutually informs them
>>>> 3. strives for integrative insights coming from the many subfields;
>>>> 4. can organize events for reflection and action;
>>>> 5. can educate people about critical and creative tools for
>>>> world-making
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - the Foundation would be a matrix or womb which would inspire the
>>>> creation and linking of other nodes active in the P2P field, organized
>>>> around topics and common interests, locality, and any form of identity and
>>>> organization which makes sense for the people involved
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - the zero node website, i.e. the site of the P2P Foundation, would
>>>> have a website with directories, an electronic newsletter and blog, and a
>>>> magazine. It aims to be one of the places where people can interconnect and
>>>> strengthen each other, and discuss topics of common interest.
>>>>
>>>> Michel Bauwens <http://p2pfoundation.net/Michel_Bauwens>, November 29,
>>>> 2005
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Athina Karatzogianni <
>>>> athina.k at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks michel, that is indeed so and your approach is fair,
>>>>> nevertheless, it d be interesting to know how broad the ideology of this
>>>>> community is, I think maybe thats what the discussion should focus on......
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Michel Bauwens <
>>>>> michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Athina,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the sense that you indicate, I do certainly, in the context of the
>>>>>> P2P Theory that I'm developing, have such a 'ideology', i.e. a program for
>>>>>> action and change which has specifics, and potentially creates boundaries
>>>>>> for inclusion/exclusion. However, the p2p platform is broader than my own
>>>>>> personal ideas on the topic. I don't hide them, they are there for all to
>>>>>> see, but I do not claim they represent the views of the platform or
>>>>>> community, though again, the fact that I hold them, has an infuence on the
>>>>>> kind of platform and community it represents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Athina Karatzogianni <
>>>>>> athina.k at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wish at the moment I had the luxury of time, but as I am in
>>>>>>> Shanghai and exhibiting my capacity for sustaining boredom in meetings, just
>>>>>>> a couple of things to feedback to the substantial comments so far.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Matt has pointed to the inevitable social and politico-economic
>>>>>>> implications of p2p, and Paul raised the issue of the difficulty in living
>>>>>>> by the high moral ground, which are both, entirely valid observations. The
>>>>>>> problematic truly begins after these observations in what Sam, Stan and
>>>>>>> Michel are debating on in relation to ideology. Both Michel and Sam have a
>>>>>>> negative understanding of ideology. The former mentions it as a mechanism
>>>>>>> for exploitation and exclusion, as did some of you as well on the exclusion
>>>>>>> point, while the latter placed it against culture and the p2p process
>>>>>>> itself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I tend to agree with Ryan, we cannot avoid the topic of ideology,
>>>>>>> power decision making, leadership emergence, it will keep coming back in the
>>>>>>> everyday life of this movement to haunt as again and again and in the bigger
>>>>>>> choices we will be asked to make. Stan wrote I think that we have to have a
>>>>>>> clear signal to send. No one can get away with no strategy, no clear
>>>>>>> identity, no message framing, no clear compass. No movement ever succeeded
>>>>>>> with no ideology or a parallelogram of ideologies with a common
>>>>>>> root/denominator. I am not sure being a 'bat' neither a mammal nor bird, a
>>>>>>> Switzerland, however admirable, is a solution so we can be friends with
>>>>>>> everyone under the sun. I dont want to be friends and collaborate with
>>>>>>> fascists, racists, or totalitarians to name a few for example. So yes, I d
>>>>>>> like to exclude, and ideology helps you do that however fuzzy the spectrum
>>>>>>> may be. It is idiotic to be politically neutral in the fear of alienating
>>>>>>> potential partners or collaborators. I am not an intellectual whore and none
>>>>>>> of you have given me the impression that you are so far. So yes, there is a
>>>>>>> question of ideology and in my humble opinion, openness is one thing, being
>>>>>>> undefined altogether is another.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope you forgive my harried response. I should hope to be able to
>>>>>>> think about this a bit more and write again soon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Athina
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Michel Bauwens <
>>>>>>> michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Ryan,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I usually understand very clearly what you say, no question about
>>>>>>>> it, your prose is clear, but this time, I don't really know what you are
>>>>>>>> saying?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Ryan Lanham <
>>>>>>>> rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anything that causes identification will cause exclusion, elitism
>>>>>>>>> and boundaries. P2P is an identification. There is nothing about it that
>>>>>>>>> is inherently new as a political ideology, which it plainly is.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is no escaping the reality of politics: Power, governance,
>>>>>>>>> rules, decision processes. Those who wish to avoid those topics, to me, are
>>>>>>>>> irresponsible.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What is different about P2P is that it sets values some people can
>>>>>>>>> agree with who find it difficult to agree with other political systems.
>>>>>>>>> There is nothing new here but the ethos itself.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Michel Bauwens <
>>>>>>>>> michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It all depends on what we call ideology ... In the old marxist
>>>>>>>>>> sense, it meant a set of ideas that justify a social order and a privileged
>>>>>>>>>> group position's within it ... so ideology is 'false' by definition ...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now, none of us can be totally free of our social conditioning
>>>>>>>>>> (the constraints of the society we live in), our our social class, our
>>>>>>>>>> personal history and limitations of consciousness ...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Definitely, I think we can say that what we call peer to peer, or
>>>>>>>>>> openness, or the commons, is a broad value system that has particular
>>>>>>>>>> distinctions, but it is at the same time a spectrum ...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We can compare it to the socialist idea, which had a wide spectrum
>>>>>>>>>> of adherents, while also substantially altering what non-socialist people
>>>>>>>>>> would think ...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In particular I do think there is a netarchical ideology in the
>>>>>>>>>> old sense, in which a privileged sector of capital, can use open and commons
>>>>>>>>>> and peer to peer language, in order to justify its own position ..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Within the P2P Foundation, I try to bring together lots of
>>>>>>>>>> material representing the wide spectrum of p2p sensibilities and practices,
>>>>>>>>>> aim to bring a platform for such varied thinking, but at the same time, I
>>>>>>>>>> have my own set of ideas and theories, based on my own synthesis and
>>>>>>>>>> deduction of what I'm privileged to observe ... It's open to debate, but at
>>>>>>>>>> the same time, as part of the 1% of people doing most of the work, it is
>>>>>>>>>> bound to have a greater effect on what appears to the outside as 'associated
>>>>>>>>>> with the P2P Foundation'. While it is clear to me what the difference is
>>>>>>>>>> between my version of P2P Theory and the P2P Foundation's ecology as a
>>>>>>>>>> platform, that may not always be the case to the outside ...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Two typical complaints are, from the right, that we are too
>>>>>>>>>> orientated towards the left, see Ryan's perception that he is in a minority
>>>>>>>>>> as a liberal; but I get similar complains from the radical left, with people
>>>>>>>>>> telling me they feel 'sick in the stomach' with what they feel are 'our'
>>>>>>>>>> compromises with capital ... Whatever, I, and we do, whatever we say,
>>>>>>>>>> however we sway in one or another direction, there will always be
>>>>>>>>>> boundaries, that act as self-regulated exclusion and inclusion filters ...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and perhaps Sam is right that the more we 'specify', the more we
>>>>>>>>>> exclude ...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My take is, keep it a open platform, for people 'sympathetic' to
>>>>>>>>>> the broad value system, be clear and transparent, as I try to be, about your
>>>>>>>>>> own positions, and be open to dialogue at all times ... The boundaries to me
>>>>>>>>>> is both the content and the style of communication which would actively
>>>>>>>>>> demean other humans (as in racism, etc..), but also people who consciously
>>>>>>>>>> favour the opposite values of p2p ... I honour their right to think
>>>>>>>>>> differently, but feel there are enough outside places for them to
>>>>>>>>>> communicate ...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Some boundaries we only discover when they are crossed ...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Samuel Rose <
>>>>>>>>>> samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Think about the nature of of online systems like wikipedia, when
>>>>>>>>>>> dogma
>>>>>>>>>>> begins to rule, or open source software cultures that begin to
>>>>>>>>>>> take on
>>>>>>>>>>> an ideological direction (we talked about this at Political
>>>>>>>>>>> Economies
>>>>>>>>>>> of Peer production back in 2007)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When ideological-driven thinking emerges, the nature of the
>>>>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>>>>> starts to favor exclusion over inclusion. This begins to erode
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> "commons" that is the participatory culture of the system. The
>>>>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>>>>> is now changing from one state to another, from a "p2p" state to
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> system that is ruled by a few.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Luckily, the affordances of commons based systems tend to be able
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> survive this co-optation, people have the ability to leave and
>>>>>>>>>>> reform
>>>>>>>>>>> elsewhere (although forking is not often exercised in the case of
>>>>>>>>>>> wikipedia). Particularly within the last 2-3 years, when commons
>>>>>>>>>>> consist of mostly digital content, it has become quite trivial to
>>>>>>>>>>> expand space, and re-boot the system, so to speak
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Samuel Rose <
>>>>>>>>>>> samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> > Where what we are calling "P2P" begins to resemble and function
>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>> > an ideology, the culture attracted will begin to disaggregate.
>>>>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>>>>> > will be left is an ideology that is fundamentally not what we
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>> > calling "P2P'.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Matt Cooperrider
>>>>>>>>>>> > <mattcooperrider at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> I'm forking this out from the discussion "Is the P2PFoundation
>>>>>>>>>>> a Shill for
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Proprietary Software?" The question of whether P2P is an
>>>>>>>>>>> ideology needs
>>>>>>>>>>> >> discussing.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> -----
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Athina wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> It seems this raises again the issue of ideology I think in
>>>>>>>>>>> p2p which so
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> far has been a bit conveniently thrown under the carpet,
>>>>>>>>>>> especially in
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> relation to the commercialization and promotion of the open
>>>>>>>>>>> source and
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> open
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> products in general.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Kevin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> I don't think it's been thrown under the carpet at all. Upon
>>>>>>>>>>> close
>>>>>>>>>>> >> inspection, the notion of a general ideology in p2p itself is
>>>>>>>>>>> a nonsensical
>>>>>>>>>>> >> concept. P2P is a phenomenon / process. Participants may
>>>>>>>>>>> have diverse
>>>>>>>>>>> >> ideologies (e.g. profit-only vs freedom-only), but as long as
>>>>>>>>>>> they agree on
>>>>>>>>>>> >> the basic principles of production, that doesn't impact the
>>>>>>>>>>> process.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Ideological differences can and do impact organizations
>>>>>>>>>>> participating in p2p
>>>>>>>>>>> >> production, and that has come up regularly (e.g. Wikipedia).
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> -------
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> I don't have much of an argument, but I wanted to invite
>>>>>>>>>>> others to discuss
>>>>>>>>>>> >> (particularly to invite Athina to rebut, and Kevin to expand
>>>>>>>>>>> on his close
>>>>>>>>>>> >> inspection).
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> I agree with Kevin that there is no "general ideology in p2p
>>>>>>>>>>> itself", but
>>>>>>>>>>> >> the notion of "p2p itself" brackets the historical context.
>>>>>>>>>>> Employing p2p's
>>>>>>>>>>> >> "basic principles of production" in 2009 has potentially huge
>>>>>>>>>>> political and
>>>>>>>>>>> >> social implications. Those of us who work to advance "p2p
>>>>>>>>>>> alternatives" do
>>>>>>>>>>> >> so because p2p processes (maybe not in every case, but when
>>>>>>>>>>> considered
>>>>>>>>>>> >> together) privilege certain outcomes that we prefer. Our
>>>>>>>>>>> preferences need
>>>>>>>>>>> >> to be examined.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Matt
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> --
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>>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Dr Athina Karatzogianni
>>>>>>> Lecturer in Media, Culture and Society
>>>>>>> The Dean's Representative (Chinese Partnerships)
>>>>>>> Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
>>>>>>> The University of Hull
>>>>>>> United Kingdom
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://browse.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/results.asp?ath=A+Karatzogianni
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Check Virtual Communication Collaboration and Conflict (Virt3C)
>>>>>>> Conference Call
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Research: http://www.dpu.ac.th/dpuic/info/Research.html - Think
>>>>>> thank: http://www.asianforesightinstitute.org/index.php/eng/The-AFI
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Dr Athina Karatzogianni
>>>>> Lecturer in Media, Culture and Society
>>>>> The Dean's Representative (Chinese Partnerships)
>>>>> Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
>>>>> The University of Hull
>>>>> United Kingdom
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>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.hull.ac.uk/humanities/media_studies/staff/athina_karatzogianni/
>>>>>
>>>>> Check out Athina's work
>>>>>
>>>>> http://browse.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/results.asp?ath=A+Karatzogianni
>>>>>
>>>>> Check Virtual Communication Collaboration and Conflict (Virt3C)
>>>>> Conference Call
>>>>> http://virt3c.wordpress.com/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>> Work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhurakij_Pundit_University - Research:
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http://www.dpu.ac.th/dpuic/info/Research.html - Think thank:
http://www.asianforesightinstitute.org/index.php/eng/The-AFI
P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss:
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