[p2p-research] P2P Ideology
Ryan Lanham
rlanham1963 at gmail.com
Sat Oct 24 14:29:41 CEST 2009
Hi Michel,
Right. I suppose my new position is that ethics is politics and politics is
ethics. Not original or even insightful, but that's my current stand.
I suppose as a P2P leader, someday you should take a crack at a political
weltanschauung for P2P.
R.
On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
> OK Ryan, I get it now <g> ... you worked on a p2p ethics project a while
> back, but here you call for something more explicitely political?
>
> I also have a set of political thesis somewhere, but these are more
> analytical than prescriptive ...
>
> Michel
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 4:46 AM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Michel:
>>
>> Your query is to Athina, but let me say this: There is the Foundation and
>> there is the ideology of P2P. The foundation is an institution in a certain
>> legal, social and political space. But then there is a separate discussion
>> about the political philosophy and political economy of P2P. It is, to me,
>> neither communism nor capitalism, as I have written in the blog. It is a
>> new way...but its boundaries with those others must be clear and the
>> commonalities and shared spaces also clear.
>>
>> That manifesto of what is "p2p" is where we are challenged.
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> how would you like to approach this discussion on broadness?
>>>
>>> the following still has 'broad validity' to me:
>>>
>>> Mission and Objectives
>>>
>>> *The Foundation for P2P Alternatives<http://p2pfoundation.net/The_Foundation_for_P2P_Alternatives>
>>> * proposes to be a meeting place for those who can broadly agree with
>>> the following propositions, which are also argued in the essay or book in
>>> progress, P2P and Human Evolution:
>>>
>>> - that peer-to-peer based technology reflects a change of
>>> consciousness towards participation, and in turn strengthens it
>>>
>>>
>>> - that the "distributed network" format, expressed in the specific
>>> manner of peer to peer relations, is a new form of political organizing and
>>> subjectivity, and an alternative for the current political/economic order,
>>> which though it does not offer solutions per se, points the way to a variety
>>> of dialogical and self-organizing formats, i.e. it represents different
>>> processes for arriving at such solutions; it ushers in a era of
>>> ‘nonrepresentational democracy’, where an increasing number of people are
>>> able to manage their social and productive life through the use of a variety
>>> of autonomous and interdependent networks and peer circles; that global
>>> governance, and the global market will be, and will have to be, more
>>> influenced by modes of governance involving multistakeholdership
>>>
>>>
>>> - that it creates a new public domain, an information commons, which
>>> should be protected and extended, especially in the domain of common
>>> knowledge creation; and that this domain, where the cost of reproducing
>>> knowledge is near zero, requires fundamental changes in the intellectual
>>> property regime, as reflected by new forms such as the free software
>>> movement; that universal common property regimes, i.e. modes of peer
>>> property, such as the General Public Licese and the Creative Commons
>>> licenses should be promoted and extended
>>>
>>>
>>> - that the principles developed by the free software movement, in
>>> particular the General Public License, and the general principles behind the
>>> open source and open access movements, provides for models that could be
>>> used in other areas of social and productive life
>>>
>>>
>>> - that it reconnects with the older traditions and attempts for a
>>> more cooperative social order, but this time obviates the need for
>>> authoritarianism and centralization; it has the potential of showing that
>>> the new more egalitarian digital culture, is connected to the older
>>> traditions of cooperation of the workers and peasants, and to the search for
>>> an engaged and meaningful life as expressed in one’s work, which becomes an
>>> expression of individual and collective creativity, rather than as a
>>> salaried means of survival
>>>
>>>
>>> - that it offers youth a vision of renewal and hope, to create a
>>> world that is more in tune with their values; that it creates a new language
>>> and discourse in tune with the new historical phase of ‘cognitive
>>> capitalism’; P2P is a language which every ‘digital youngster’ can
>>> understand. However, 'peer to peer theory' addresses itself not just to the
>>> network-enabled and to knowledge workers, but to the whole of civil society
>>> (the 'multitudes'), and to whoever agrees that the core of decision-making
>>> should be located in civil society, and not in the market or in the state,
>>> and that the latters should be the servants of civil society
>>>
>>>
>>> - it combines subjectivity (new values), intersubjectivity (new
>>> relations), objectivity (an enabling technology) and interobjectivity (new
>>> forms of organization) that mutually strengthen each other in a positive
>>> feedback loop, and it is clearly on the offensive and growing, but lacking
>>> ‘political self-consciousness’. It is this form of awareness that the P2P
>>> Foundation wants to promote.
>>>
>>> *The Foundation for P2P Alternatives<http://p2pfoundation.net/The_Foundation_for_P2P_Alternatives>
>>> * would address the following issues:
>>>
>>> - P2P currently exists in discrete separate movements and projects
>>> but these different movements are often unaware of the common P2P ethos that
>>> binds them
>>>
>>>
>>> - thus, there is a need for a common initiative, which
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. brings information together;
>>> 2. connects people and mutually informs them
>>> 3. strives for integrative insights coming from the many subfields;
>>> 4. can organize events for reflection and action;
>>> 5. can educate people about critical and creative tools for
>>> world-making
>>>
>>>
>>> - the Foundation would be a matrix or womb which would inspire the
>>> creation and linking of other nodes active in the P2P field, organized
>>> around topics and common interests, locality, and any form of identity and
>>> organization which makes sense for the people involved
>>>
>>>
>>> - the zero node website, i.e. the site of the P2P Foundation, would
>>> have a website with directories, an electronic newsletter and blog, and a
>>> magazine. It aims to be one of the places where people can interconnect and
>>> strengthen each other, and discuss topics of common interest.
>>>
>>> Michel Bauwens <http://p2pfoundation.net/Michel_Bauwens>, November 29,
>>> 2005
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Athina Karatzogianni <
>>> athina.k at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks michel, that is indeed so and your approach is fair,
>>>> nevertheless, it d be interesting to know how broad the ideology of this
>>>> community is, I think maybe thats what the discussion should focus on......
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Michel Bauwens <
>>>> michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Athina,
>>>>>
>>>>> In the sense that you indicate, I do certainly, in the context of the
>>>>> P2P Theory that I'm developing, have such a 'ideology', i.e. a program for
>>>>> action and change which has specifics, and potentially creates boundaries
>>>>> for inclusion/exclusion. However, the p2p platform is broader than my own
>>>>> personal ideas on the topic. I don't hide them, they are there for all to
>>>>> see, but I do not claim they represent the views of the platform or
>>>>> community, though again, the fact that I hold them, has an infuence on the
>>>>> kind of platform and community it represents.
>>>>>
>>>>> Michel
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Athina Karatzogianni <
>>>>> athina.k at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wish at the moment I had the luxury of time, but as I am in Shanghai
>>>>>> and exhibiting my capacity for sustaining boredom in meetings, just a couple
>>>>>> of things to feedback to the substantial comments so far.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matt has pointed to the inevitable social and politico-economic
>>>>>> implications of p2p, and Paul raised the issue of the difficulty in living
>>>>>> by the high moral ground, which are both, entirely valid observations. The
>>>>>> problematic truly begins after these observations in what Sam, Stan and
>>>>>> Michel are debating on in relation to ideology. Both Michel and Sam have a
>>>>>> negative understanding of ideology. The former mentions it as a mechanism
>>>>>> for exploitation and exclusion, as did some of you as well on the exclusion
>>>>>> point, while the latter placed it against culture and the p2p process
>>>>>> itself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I tend to agree with Ryan, we cannot avoid the topic of ideology,
>>>>>> power decision making, leadership emergence, it will keep coming back in the
>>>>>> everyday life of this movement to haunt as again and again and in the bigger
>>>>>> choices we will be asked to make. Stan wrote I think that we have to have a
>>>>>> clear signal to send. No one can get away with no strategy, no clear
>>>>>> identity, no message framing, no clear compass. No movement ever succeeded
>>>>>> with no ideology or a parallelogram of ideologies with a common
>>>>>> root/denominator. I am not sure being a 'bat' neither a mammal nor bird, a
>>>>>> Switzerland, however admirable, is a solution so we can be friends with
>>>>>> everyone under the sun. I dont want to be friends and collaborate with
>>>>>> fascists, racists, or totalitarians to name a few for example. So yes, I d
>>>>>> like to exclude, and ideology helps you do that however fuzzy the spectrum
>>>>>> may be. It is idiotic to be politically neutral in the fear of alienating
>>>>>> potential partners or collaborators. I am not an intellectual whore and none
>>>>>> of you have given me the impression that you are so far. So yes, there is a
>>>>>> question of ideology and in my humble opinion, openness is one thing, being
>>>>>> undefined altogether is another.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope you forgive my harried response. I should hope to be able to
>>>>>> think about this a bit more and write again soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Athina
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Michel Bauwens <
>>>>>> michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Ryan,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I usually understand very clearly what you say, no question about it,
>>>>>>> your prose is clear, but this time, I don't really know what you are saying?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Ryan Lanham <
>>>>>>> rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anything that causes identification will cause exclusion, elitism
>>>>>>>> and boundaries. P2P is an identification. There is nothing about it that
>>>>>>>> is inherently new as a political ideology, which it plainly is.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no escaping the reality of politics: Power, governance,
>>>>>>>> rules, decision processes. Those who wish to avoid those topics, to me, are
>>>>>>>> irresponsible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is different about P2P is that it sets values some people can
>>>>>>>> agree with who find it difficult to agree with other political systems.
>>>>>>>> There is nothing new here but the ethos itself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Michel Bauwens <
>>>>>>>> michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It all depends on what we call ideology ... In the old marxist
>>>>>>>>> sense, it meant a set of ideas that justify a social order and a privileged
>>>>>>>>> group position's within it ... so ideology is 'false' by definition ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now, none of us can be totally free of our social conditioning (the
>>>>>>>>> constraints of the society we live in), our our social class, our personal
>>>>>>>>> history and limitations of consciousness ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Definitely, I think we can say that what we call peer to peer, or
>>>>>>>>> openness, or the commons, is a broad value system that has particular
>>>>>>>>> distinctions, but it is at the same time a spectrum ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We can compare it to the socialist idea, which had a wide spectrum
>>>>>>>>> of adherents, while also substantially altering what non-socialist people
>>>>>>>>> would think ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In particular I do think there is a netarchical ideology in the old
>>>>>>>>> sense, in which a privileged sector of capital, can use open and commons and
>>>>>>>>> peer to peer language, in order to justify its own position ..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Within the P2P Foundation, I try to bring together lots of material
>>>>>>>>> representing the wide spectrum of p2p sensibilities and practices, aim to
>>>>>>>>> bring a platform for such varied thinking, but at the same time, I have my
>>>>>>>>> own set of ideas and theories, based on my own synthesis and deduction of
>>>>>>>>> what I'm privileged to observe ... It's open to debate, but at the same
>>>>>>>>> time, as part of the 1% of people doing most of the work, it is bound to
>>>>>>>>> have a greater effect on what appears to the outside as 'associated with the
>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation'. While it is clear to me what the difference is between my
>>>>>>>>> version of P2P Theory and the P2P Foundation's ecology as a platform, that
>>>>>>>>> may not always be the case to the outside ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Two typical complaints are, from the right, that we are too
>>>>>>>>> orientated towards the left, see Ryan's perception that he is in a minority
>>>>>>>>> as a liberal; but I get similar complains from the radical left, with people
>>>>>>>>> telling me they feel 'sick in the stomach' with what they feel are 'our'
>>>>>>>>> compromises with capital ... Whatever, I, and we do, whatever we say,
>>>>>>>>> however we sway in one or another direction, there will always be
>>>>>>>>> boundaries, that act as self-regulated exclusion and inclusion filters ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and perhaps Sam is right that the more we 'specify', the more we
>>>>>>>>> exclude ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My take is, keep it a open platform, for people 'sympathetic' to
>>>>>>>>> the broad value system, be clear and transparent, as I try to be, about your
>>>>>>>>> own positions, and be open to dialogue at all times ... The boundaries to me
>>>>>>>>> is both the content and the style of communication which would actively
>>>>>>>>> demean other humans (as in racism, etc..), but also people who consciously
>>>>>>>>> favour the opposite values of p2p ... I honour their right to think
>>>>>>>>> differently, but feel there are enough outside places for them to
>>>>>>>>> communicate ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some boundaries we only discover when they are crossed ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Samuel Rose <
>>>>>>>>> samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Think about the nature of of online systems like wikipedia, when
>>>>>>>>>> dogma
>>>>>>>>>> begins to rule, or open source software cultures that begin to
>>>>>>>>>> take on
>>>>>>>>>> an ideological direction (we talked about this at Political
>>>>>>>>>> Economies
>>>>>>>>>> of Peer production back in 2007)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When ideological-driven thinking emerges, the nature of the system
>>>>>>>>>> starts to favor exclusion over inclusion. This begins to erode the
>>>>>>>>>> "commons" that is the participatory culture of the system. The
>>>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>>>> is now changing from one state to another, from a "p2p" state to a
>>>>>>>>>> system that is ruled by a few.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Luckily, the affordances of commons based systems tend to be able
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> survive this co-optation, people have the ability to leave and
>>>>>>>>>> reform
>>>>>>>>>> elsewhere (although forking is not often exercised in the case of
>>>>>>>>>> wikipedia). Particularly within the last 2-3 years, when commons
>>>>>>>>>> consist of mostly digital content, it has become quite trivial to
>>>>>>>>>> expand space, and re-boot the system, so to speak
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Samuel Rose <
>>>>>>>>>> samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> > Where what we are calling "P2P" begins to resemble and function
>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>> > an ideology, the culture attracted will begin to disaggregate.
>>>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>>>> > will be left is an ideology that is fundamentally not what we
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> > calling "P2P'.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Matt Cooperrider
>>>>>>>>>> > <mattcooperrider at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> I'm forking this out from the discussion "Is the P2PFoundation
>>>>>>>>>> a Shill for
>>>>>>>>>> >> Proprietary Software?" The question of whether P2P is an
>>>>>>>>>> ideology needs
>>>>>>>>>> >> discussing.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> -----
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Athina wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> It seems this raises again the issue of ideology I think in
>>>>>>>>>> p2p which so
>>>>>>>>>> >>> far has been a bit conveniently thrown under the carpet,
>>>>>>>>>> especially in
>>>>>>>>>> >>> relation to the commercialization and promotion of the open
>>>>>>>>>> source and
>>>>>>>>>> >>> open
>>>>>>>>>> >>> products in general.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Kevin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> I don't think it's been thrown under the carpet at all. Upon
>>>>>>>>>> close
>>>>>>>>>> >> inspection, the notion of a general ideology in p2p itself is a
>>>>>>>>>> nonsensical
>>>>>>>>>> >> concept. P2P is a phenomenon / process. Participants may have
>>>>>>>>>> diverse
>>>>>>>>>> >> ideologies (e.g. profit-only vs freedom-only), but as long as
>>>>>>>>>> they agree on
>>>>>>>>>> >> the basic principles of production, that doesn't impact the
>>>>>>>>>> process.
>>>>>>>>>> >> Ideological differences can and do impact organizations
>>>>>>>>>> participating in p2p
>>>>>>>>>> >> production, and that has come up regularly (e.g. Wikipedia).
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> -------
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> I don't have much of an argument, but I wanted to invite others
>>>>>>>>>> to discuss
>>>>>>>>>> >> (particularly to invite Athina to rebut, and Kevin to expand on
>>>>>>>>>> his close
>>>>>>>>>> >> inspection).
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> I agree with Kevin that there is no "general ideology in p2p
>>>>>>>>>> itself", but
>>>>>>>>>> >> the notion of "p2p itself" brackets the historical context.
>>>>>>>>>> Employing p2p's
>>>>>>>>>> >> "basic principles of production" in 2009 has potentially huge
>>>>>>>>>> political and
>>>>>>>>>> >> social implications. Those of us who work to advance "p2p
>>>>>>>>>> alternatives" do
>>>>>>>>>> >> so because p2p processes (maybe not in every case, but when
>>>>>>>>>> considered
>>>>>>>>>> >> together) privilege certain outcomes that we prefer. Our
>>>>>>>>>> preferences need
>>>>>>>>>> >> to be examined.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Best,
>>>>>>>>>> >> Matt
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> --
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>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Lecturer in Media, Culture and Society
>>>>>> The Dean's Representative (Chinese Partnerships)
>>>>>> Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
>>>>>> The University of Hull
>>>>>> United Kingdom
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Check out Athina's work
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://browse.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/results.asp?ath=A+Karatzogianni
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Check Virtual Communication Collaboration and Conflict (Virt3C)
>>>>>> Conference Call
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>> The Dean's Representative (Chinese Partnerships)
>>>> Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
>>>> The University of Hull
>>>> United Kingdom
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> http://browse.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/results.asp?ath=A+Karatzogianni
>>>>
>>>> Check Virtual Communication Collaboration and Conflict (Virt3C)
>>>> Conference Call
>>>> http://virt3c.wordpress.com/
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