[p2p-research] P2P Ideology
Michel Bauwens
michelsub2004 at gmail.com
Sat Oct 24 14:24:25 CEST 2009
OK Ryan, I get it now <g> ... you worked on a p2p ethics project a while
back, but here you call for something more explicitely political?
I also have a set of political thesis somewhere, but these are more
analytical than prescriptive ...
Michel
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 4:46 AM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Michel:
>
> Your query is to Athina, but let me say this: There is the Foundation and
> there is the ideology of P2P. The foundation is an institution in a certain
> legal, social and political space. But then there is a separate discussion
> about the political philosophy and political economy of P2P. It is, to me,
> neither communism nor capitalism, as I have written in the blog. It is a
> new way...but its boundaries with those others must be clear and the
> commonalities and shared spaces also clear.
>
> That manifesto of what is "p2p" is where we are challenged.
>
> Ryan
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> how would you like to approach this discussion on broadness?
>>
>> the following still has 'broad validity' to me:
>>
>> Mission and Objectives
>>
>> *The Foundation for P2P Alternatives<http://p2pfoundation.net/The_Foundation_for_P2P_Alternatives>
>> * proposes to be a meeting place for those who can broadly agree with the
>> following propositions, which are also argued in the essay or book in
>> progress, P2P and Human Evolution:
>>
>> - that peer-to-peer based technology reflects a change of
>> consciousness towards participation, and in turn strengthens it
>>
>>
>> - that the "distributed network" format, expressed in the specific
>> manner of peer to peer relations, is a new form of political organizing and
>> subjectivity, and an alternative for the current political/economic order,
>> which though it does not offer solutions per se, points the way to a variety
>> of dialogical and self-organizing formats, i.e. it represents different
>> processes for arriving at such solutions; it ushers in a era of
>> ‘nonrepresentational democracy’, where an increasing number of people are
>> able to manage their social and productive life through the use of a variety
>> of autonomous and interdependent networks and peer circles; that global
>> governance, and the global market will be, and will have to be, more
>> influenced by modes of governance involving multistakeholdership
>>
>>
>> - that it creates a new public domain, an information commons, which
>> should be protected and extended, especially in the domain of common
>> knowledge creation; and that this domain, where the cost of reproducing
>> knowledge is near zero, requires fundamental changes in the intellectual
>> property regime, as reflected by new forms such as the free software
>> movement; that universal common property regimes, i.e. modes of peer
>> property, such as the General Public Licese and the Creative Commons
>> licenses should be promoted and extended
>>
>>
>> - that the principles developed by the free software movement, in
>> particular the General Public License, and the general principles behind the
>> open source and open access movements, provides for models that could be
>> used in other areas of social and productive life
>>
>>
>> - that it reconnects with the older traditions and attempts for a more
>> cooperative social order, but this time obviates the need for
>> authoritarianism and centralization; it has the potential of showing that
>> the new more egalitarian digital culture, is connected to the older
>> traditions of cooperation of the workers and peasants, and to the search for
>> an engaged and meaningful life as expressed in one’s work, which becomes an
>> expression of individual and collective creativity, rather than as a
>> salaried means of survival
>>
>>
>> - that it offers youth a vision of renewal and hope, to create a world
>> that is more in tune with their values; that it creates a new language and
>> discourse in tune with the new historical phase of ‘cognitive capitalism’;
>> P2P is a language which every ‘digital youngster’ can understand. However,
>> 'peer to peer theory' addresses itself not just to the network-enabled and
>> to knowledge workers, but to the whole of civil society (the 'multitudes'),
>> and to whoever agrees that the core of decision-making should be located in
>> civil society, and not in the market or in the state, and that the latters
>> should be the servants of civil society
>>
>>
>> - it combines subjectivity (new values), intersubjectivity (new
>> relations), objectivity (an enabling technology) and interobjectivity (new
>> forms of organization) that mutually strengthen each other in a positive
>> feedback loop, and it is clearly on the offensive and growing, but lacking
>> ‘political self-consciousness’. It is this form of awareness that the P2P
>> Foundation wants to promote.
>>
>> *The Foundation for P2P Alternatives<http://p2pfoundation.net/The_Foundation_for_P2P_Alternatives>
>> * would address the following issues:
>>
>> - P2P currently exists in discrete separate movements and projects but
>> these different movements are often unaware of the common P2P ethos that
>> binds them
>>
>>
>> - thus, there is a need for a common initiative, which
>>
>>
>> 1. brings information together;
>> 2. connects people and mutually informs them
>> 3. strives for integrative insights coming from the many subfields;
>> 4. can organize events for reflection and action;
>> 5. can educate people about critical and creative tools for
>> world-making
>>
>>
>> - the Foundation would be a matrix or womb which would inspire the
>> creation and linking of other nodes active in the P2P field, organized
>> around topics and common interests, locality, and any form of identity and
>> organization which makes sense for the people involved
>>
>>
>> - the zero node website, i.e. the site of the P2P Foundation, would
>> have a website with directories, an electronic newsletter and blog, and a
>> magazine. It aims to be one of the places where people can interconnect and
>> strengthen each other, and discuss topics of common interest.
>>
>> Michel Bauwens <http://p2pfoundation.net/Michel_Bauwens>, November 29,
>> 2005
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Athina Karatzogianni <
>> athina.k at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks michel, that is indeed so and your approach is fair, nevertheless,
>>> it d be interesting to know how broad the ideology of this community is, I
>>> think maybe thats what the discussion should focus on......
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Athina,
>>>>
>>>> In the sense that you indicate, I do certainly, in the context of the
>>>> P2P Theory that I'm developing, have such a 'ideology', i.e. a program for
>>>> action and change which has specifics, and potentially creates boundaries
>>>> for inclusion/exclusion. However, the p2p platform is broader than my own
>>>> personal ideas on the topic. I don't hide them, they are there for all to
>>>> see, but I do not claim they represent the views of the platform or
>>>> community, though again, the fact that I hold them, has an infuence on the
>>>> kind of platform and community it represents.
>>>>
>>>> Michel
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Athina Karatzogianni <
>>>> athina.k at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I wish at the moment I had the luxury of time, but as I am in Shanghai
>>>>> and exhibiting my capacity for sustaining boredom in meetings, just a couple
>>>>> of things to feedback to the substantial comments so far.
>>>>>
>>>>> Matt has pointed to the inevitable social and politico-economic
>>>>> implications of p2p, and Paul raised the issue of the difficulty in living
>>>>> by the high moral ground, which are both, entirely valid observations. The
>>>>> problematic truly begins after these observations in what Sam, Stan and
>>>>> Michel are debating on in relation to ideology. Both Michel and Sam have a
>>>>> negative understanding of ideology. The former mentions it as a mechanism
>>>>> for exploitation and exclusion, as did some of you as well on the exclusion
>>>>> point, while the latter placed it against culture and the p2p process
>>>>> itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> I tend to agree with Ryan, we cannot avoid the topic of ideology, power
>>>>> decision making, leadership emergence, it will keep coming back in the
>>>>> everyday life of this movement to haunt as again and again and in the bigger
>>>>> choices we will be asked to make. Stan wrote I think that we have to have a
>>>>> clear signal to send. No one can get away with no strategy, no clear
>>>>> identity, no message framing, no clear compass. No movement ever succeeded
>>>>> with no ideology or a parallelogram of ideologies with a common
>>>>> root/denominator. I am not sure being a 'bat' neither a mammal nor bird, a
>>>>> Switzerland, however admirable, is a solution so we can be friends with
>>>>> everyone under the sun. I dont want to be friends and collaborate with
>>>>> fascists, racists, or totalitarians to name a few for example. So yes, I d
>>>>> like to exclude, and ideology helps you do that however fuzzy the spectrum
>>>>> may be. It is idiotic to be politically neutral in the fear of alienating
>>>>> potential partners or collaborators. I am not an intellectual whore and none
>>>>> of you have given me the impression that you are so far. So yes, there is a
>>>>> question of ideology and in my humble opinion, openness is one thing, being
>>>>> undefined altogether is another.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope you forgive my harried response. I should hope to be able to
>>>>> think about this a bit more and write again soon.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Athina
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Michel Bauwens <
>>>>> michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Ryan,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I usually understand very clearly what you say, no question about it,
>>>>>> your prose is clear, but this time, I don't really know what you are saying?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anything that causes identification will cause exclusion, elitism and
>>>>>>> boundaries. P2P is an identification. There is nothing about it that is
>>>>>>> inherently new as a political ideology, which it plainly is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no escaping the reality of politics: Power, governance,
>>>>>>> rules, decision processes. Those who wish to avoid those topics, to me, are
>>>>>>> irresponsible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is different about P2P is that it sets values some people can
>>>>>>> agree with who find it difficult to agree with other political systems.
>>>>>>> There is nothing new here but the ethos itself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Michel Bauwens <
>>>>>>> michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It all depends on what we call ideology ... In the old marxist
>>>>>>>> sense, it meant a set of ideas that justify a social order and a privileged
>>>>>>>> group position's within it ... so ideology is 'false' by definition ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, none of us can be totally free of our social conditioning (the
>>>>>>>> constraints of the society we live in), our our social class, our personal
>>>>>>>> history and limitations of consciousness ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Definitely, I think we can say that what we call peer to peer, or
>>>>>>>> openness, or the commons, is a broad value system that has particular
>>>>>>>> distinctions, but it is at the same time a spectrum ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We can compare it to the socialist idea, which had a wide spectrum
>>>>>>>> of adherents, while also substantially altering what non-socialist people
>>>>>>>> would think ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In particular I do think there is a netarchical ideology in the old
>>>>>>>> sense, in which a privileged sector of capital, can use open and commons and
>>>>>>>> peer to peer language, in order to justify its own position ..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Within the P2P Foundation, I try to bring together lots of material
>>>>>>>> representing the wide spectrum of p2p sensibilities and practices, aim to
>>>>>>>> bring a platform for such varied thinking, but at the same time, I have my
>>>>>>>> own set of ideas and theories, based on my own synthesis and deduction of
>>>>>>>> what I'm privileged to observe ... It's open to debate, but at the same
>>>>>>>> time, as part of the 1% of people doing most of the work, it is bound to
>>>>>>>> have a greater effect on what appears to the outside as 'associated with the
>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation'. While it is clear to me what the difference is between my
>>>>>>>> version of P2P Theory and the P2P Foundation's ecology as a platform, that
>>>>>>>> may not always be the case to the outside ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Two typical complaints are, from the right, that we are too
>>>>>>>> orientated towards the left, see Ryan's perception that he is in a minority
>>>>>>>> as a liberal; but I get similar complains from the radical left, with people
>>>>>>>> telling me they feel 'sick in the stomach' with what they feel are 'our'
>>>>>>>> compromises with capital ... Whatever, I, and we do, whatever we say,
>>>>>>>> however we sway in one or another direction, there will always be
>>>>>>>> boundaries, that act as self-regulated exclusion and inclusion filters ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and perhaps Sam is right that the more we 'specify', the more we
>>>>>>>> exclude ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My take is, keep it a open platform, for people 'sympathetic' to the
>>>>>>>> broad value system, be clear and transparent, as I try to be, about your own
>>>>>>>> positions, and be open to dialogue at all times ... The boundaries to me is
>>>>>>>> both the content and the style of communication which would actively demean
>>>>>>>> other humans (as in racism, etc..), but also people who consciously favour
>>>>>>>> the opposite values of p2p ... I honour their right to think differently,
>>>>>>>> but feel there are enough outside places for them to communicate ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some boundaries we only discover when they are crossed ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Think about the nature of of online systems like wikipedia, when
>>>>>>>>> dogma
>>>>>>>>> begins to rule, or open source software cultures that begin to take
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> an ideological direction (we talked about this at Political
>>>>>>>>> Economies
>>>>>>>>> of Peer production back in 2007)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When ideological-driven thinking emerges, the nature of the system
>>>>>>>>> starts to favor exclusion over inclusion. This begins to erode the
>>>>>>>>> "commons" that is the participatory culture of the system. The
>>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>>> is now changing from one state to another, from a "p2p" state to a
>>>>>>>>> system that is ruled by a few.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Luckily, the affordances of commons based systems tend to be able
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> survive this co-optation, people have the ability to leave and
>>>>>>>>> reform
>>>>>>>>> elsewhere (although forking is not often exercised in the case of
>>>>>>>>> wikipedia). Particularly within the last 2-3 years, when commons
>>>>>>>>> consist of mostly digital content, it has become quite trivial to
>>>>>>>>> expand space, and re-boot the system, so to speak
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Samuel Rose <
>>>>>>>>> samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > Where what we are calling "P2P" begins to resemble and function
>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>> > an ideology, the culture attracted will begin to disaggregate.
>>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>>> > will be left is an ideology that is fundamentally not what we are
>>>>>>>>> > calling "P2P'.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Matt Cooperrider
>>>>>>>>> > <mattcooperrider at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> I'm forking this out from the discussion "Is the P2PFoundation a
>>>>>>>>> Shill for
>>>>>>>>> >> Proprietary Software?" The question of whether P2P is an
>>>>>>>>> ideology needs
>>>>>>>>> >> discussing.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> -----
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Athina wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>> It seems this raises again the issue of ideology I think in p2p
>>>>>>>>> which so
>>>>>>>>> >>> far has been a bit conveniently thrown under the carpet,
>>>>>>>>> especially in
>>>>>>>>> >>> relation to the commercialization and promotion of the open
>>>>>>>>> source and
>>>>>>>>> >>> open
>>>>>>>>> >>> products in general.
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Kevin wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> I don't think it's been thrown under the carpet at all. Upon
>>>>>>>>> close
>>>>>>>>> >> inspection, the notion of a general ideology in p2p itself is a
>>>>>>>>> nonsensical
>>>>>>>>> >> concept. P2P is a phenomenon / process. Participants may have
>>>>>>>>> diverse
>>>>>>>>> >> ideologies (e.g. profit-only vs freedom-only), but as long as
>>>>>>>>> they agree on
>>>>>>>>> >> the basic principles of production, that doesn't impact the
>>>>>>>>> process.
>>>>>>>>> >> Ideological differences can and do impact organizations
>>>>>>>>> participating in p2p
>>>>>>>>> >> production, and that has come up regularly (e.g. Wikipedia).
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> -------
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> I don't have much of an argument, but I wanted to invite others
>>>>>>>>> to discuss
>>>>>>>>> >> (particularly to invite Athina to rebut, and Kevin to expand on
>>>>>>>>> his close
>>>>>>>>> >> inspection).
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> I agree with Kevin that there is no "general ideology in p2p
>>>>>>>>> itself", but
>>>>>>>>> >> the notion of "p2p itself" brackets the historical context.
>>>>>>>>> Employing p2p's
>>>>>>>>> >> "basic principles of production" in 2009 has potentially huge
>>>>>>>>> political and
>>>>>>>>> >> social implications. Those of us who work to advance "p2p
>>>>>>>>> alternatives" do
>>>>>>>>> >> so because p2p processes (maybe not in every case, but when
>>>>>>>>> considered
>>>>>>>>> >> together) privilege certain outcomes that we prefer. Our
>>>>>>>>> preferences need
>>>>>>>>> >> to be examined.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Best,
>>>>>>>>> >> Matt
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> --
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>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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