[p2p-research] Fwd: VW's open and transparent Factory in dresden - Germany

Sat Oct 17 20:02:48 CEST 2009

indeed a confirmation that the current crisis is not directly linked to
automation ..

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Nathan Cravens <knuggy at gmail.com> wrote:

> Soundbyte: 'Technological unemployment via elderly crisis'
> Crisis forces Japan's elderly out of retirement
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyH2d0qXcJw
>
> When a culture believes in a career ethic and the competition is too great
> to meet the standard:
>
> Economy woes drive up Japan suicides
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV7znHv0OE0&feature=channel
> *
> *
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_thread/thread/5a1623fe018c0862/8e81f64c4b18a97b?lnk=gst&q=Free+Markets+%26+Free+Use+Commons#8e81f64c4b18a97b
>  <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV7znHv0OE0&feature=channel>""
> Due to rapid birthrate decline, the 'Information and Technology Research
> Initiative' (IRT) was organised to meet these particular future demands.
> According to IRT's 'Basic Organisation of IRT Research Initiative'[2], by
> 2025, 4.27 million workers will be needed in Japan: many of them to care for
> elderly; others to replace the jobs the elderly once occupied. By 2050, at
> present birth rates, nearly half of Japan's population will consist of
> elderly. By this time the United States and Europe will have demographics
> issues similar to that of Japan decades earlier. This means that free
> markets in response to productive demand is inappropriate in the long run.
> Backed by the University of Tokyo and a plethora of corporate sponsorship,
> IRT intends to meet demands with the deployment of 3.53 million general
> purpose robots. Based on this information, it does not require much economic
> imagination to recognize that if general purpose robots are made to perform
> "the problem of insufficient labor," and we hope for obvious reasons the
> practices of producing these devices become public knowledge, the need for
> labor at all and the work ethic itself will come into further question.
> ""
>
> Go Fernhoutian on dat ;p
>
>
> Nathan
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I agree with you totally on this, Michel.  I work 60-70 hours a week..am
>> paid for 37.5 out of which I work maybe 20.  Then I work on a PhD.  I am not
>> seeking more liesure or even more pay.  I am seeking less stress, greater
>> relevance, and more meaningful interactions.  Work is fun.
>>
>> R.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> It seems to me such a debate is too simplistic ... while we could
>>> conceivably technically reduce working hours in a market economy .. (given a
>>> miraculous strength of social movements), it keeps quiet about people like
>>> me, and presumably quite a bit of you, who 'work' more than ever ... only
>>> that for us, passionate producers, the whole notion of work and leisure has
>>> lost its meaning ...
>>>
>>> we can see from the experience of france with the 35 hour week, that even
>>> that demand, which had clear advantages in some fields, no longer carries
>>> public support ... if anything, the mentality seems to be that 'people are
>>> not working enough' ...
>>>
>>> so I don't see this as a realistic way to approach the issue ... except
>>> for a small grouping of people ...
>>>
>>> Michel
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Dante-Gabryell Monson <
>>> dante.monson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Paul :
>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, by the above analogy, we should be able to all work two hour
>>>>> days if demand is limited back to 1950s levels.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> a german friend ( hes nickname is "Darwin Dante" ) argues that 5 hours a
>>>> week of work are enough :
>>>>
>>>> http://www.5-stunden-woche.de/index.2htm.htm
>>>>
>>>> although if I understood properly, hes argument goes towards reducing
>>>> the number of hours each of us works, to enable all to have access to ( paid
>>>> ) work... :-o
>>>>
>>>> the google translation from hes german version seems to be more precise
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=y&u=http://www.5-stunden-woche.de/index.1htm.htm&sl=de&tl=en&history_state0=&swap=1
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> I also feel like comparing hes argument with "Intermediate Technologies"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appropriate_technology#Intermediate_technology
>>>> *
>>>> *
>>>> *" **Proponents argue that such items can be easily purchased and used
>>>> by poor people, and according to proponents can lead to greater **
>>>> productivity* <http://wiki/Productivity_%28economics%29>* while
>>>> minimizing **social dislocation* <http://wiki/Social_alienation>*. Much
>>>> intermediate technology can also be built and serviced using locally
>>>> available materials and knowledge. This intermediate technology is conducive
>>>> to decentralization, compatible with the laws of ecology, gentle in its use
>>>> of scarce resources, and designed to serve the human person instead of
>>>> making him the servant of machines. "*
>>>>
>>>> although Darwin Dante's examples include high productivity technologies,
>>>> and might perhaps not solve the social dislocation issue.
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> *
>>>> *
>>>> *It seems to me that p2p open manufacturing is a form of **intermediate
>>>> / appropriate technology*<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appropriate_technology#Intermediate_technology>
>>>> *.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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