[p2p-research] Fwd: VW's open and transparent Factory in dresden - Germany

Tue Oct 13 12:50:11 CEST 2009

... I just remembered another word : *" Vector "*
*http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vector
*
... each of these "spectrum's" / "continuum's" being "vectors" ( ?? ) in a
potentially

*multi-vectorial definition of a system*  ( perhaps you / one /
mathematicians can correct me or give more precise suggestions ? )

including vectors related to governance, production and property.

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The difficulty then possibly being* to "quantify" ? To "measure" ?*
Or at least, more difficult to quantify for certain vectors... ( such as ...
? )

Which is why, I guess, it may be useful to use Human Based Computation , as
individual humans could evaluate such vectors and include it in a
"information system network / protocol system / economy" of their choice ,
this information empowering a* trans-personal point of view for all
participants* of that ( holoptic ? ) information network ,

and empowering other feed back loops with that networked system , including
humans, automated agents , or other entities such as organizations / moral
persons composed of humans and possibly automated agents , to* take into
account such trans-personal view in their actions* ?

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Perhaps nothing new... but simply trying to find a better definition related
to previous posts on this thread :-)

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson <
dante.monson at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> I think Dante is right on about the factors. But, I was mostly
>> suggesting that it is the model through which the factors are viewed
>> that could be changed. I am advocating for a non-linear model.
>>
>
> I agree with you on this Sam.
>
> By the way, what therm would mean "mutually defining factors" ?
> A system ? or a "reality" ?
>
> As I try to explain below, building on what you replied,
> I look forward to
>
> *"defining" different "social systems" according to the "mixture"*
>
> ----
>
> ...
>
> I guess I was trying to break it down into "spectrum's",
> or, as I newly learned through your comment, it might be more appropriate
> to call them
> "*continuum's*" ?
>
> So *breaking down into linear continuum*'s to , afterwards, *enable a
> synthesis o**f** combinations* of ( ever changing and evolving ) *positions
> on such continuum*'s.
>
> Using such position as a *factor* that is *subject to constant variation
> based on its inter-dependency *( note : do we understand the protocols of
> certain inter-dependencies ? )* with other factors*, creating a *
> non-linear feedback-loop system* , with the potential for a *multi-dimensional
> visualization , using each continuum as one additional dimension*.
>
> ---
>
> I went through a quick web search, and wonder if " *Factor Analysis* "
> could relate to such approach
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factor_analysis
>
> although I feel that what we mention seems to be more of a *" Factor
> Synthesis " *( therm used at present in the field of blood coagulation ) *
> ,*
> or as you note, of finding *" Patterns " along inter-dependent Factors ?*
> *
> *
> *I am tempted to create such visualization of factors ( like a volume bar
> in a graphical interface ) "defining" different "social systems" according
> to the "mixture" of varying degrees along such factors.  Perhaps all those
> inter-dependent factors could be used ... to set your favorite type of
> governance ... *
> *
> *
> *Would be nice to experiment this in some libre version of the civilization
> game ( I remember playing that game when I was younger :
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilization_(video_game)  ) , *
> *
> *
> *Freeciv :*
> *
> *
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeciv
>
> Wouldn't it be cool to have some of the forms of governance and production
> directly integrated into such games ?  Problem is that possibly the game
> would not be played from a one "ruler/player" perspective anymore ? ... :-)
>
> So it would need to be adapted into a "real game", as to play with all
> peers ... using a *"trans-personal" visualization* ?
>
> But... hey !... thats what we are doing right now ?! :-)
>
> We seem to have enough understanding through our combined collective
> intelligence to start defining the rules/protocols of the modes of
> governance and how they may interact with each other.  :-)
>
> We could then integrate it in some kind of *meta-information system* based
> on* human based computing* (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human-based_computation )
>  - a bit like a *currency system* - ,
> such as the one I attempt to design :
>
> ... Next time I will be asked about my career, I guess I can answer "I
> started playing Civilization when I was 11, and never stopped since... " :-)
>
>
>
>> Rather than infinite pontential single positions within a continuum
>> line, any given person or other complex adaptive system will tend to
>> have up to infinite potential positions across a potentially infinite
>> field, who's focus is fixed on an identifiable point. All of these
>> positions can also change over time, too, depending on the nature of
>> the system. By looking at information about a complex system graphed
>> this way, you can see emergent patterns, and the inherent patterns can
>> help you think about how to further analyze the information about the
>> system. This can help you create models of assumptions about the
>> "simple rules", the dynamics on local scales that lead to emergent
>> complex adaptive nature of the system you are looking at.
>>
>
> perfectly expressed ! Thats what I seem to like to visualize too !
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Sam Rose
>> Social Synergy
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>> Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451
>> skype: samuelrose
>> email: samuel.rose at gmail.com
>> http://socialsynergyweb.com
>> http://socialsynergyweb.org/culturing
>> http://flowsbook.panarchy.com/
>> http://socialmediaclassroom.com
>> http://localfoodsystems.org
>> http://notanemployee.net
>> http://communitywiki.org
>>
>> "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human
>> ambition." - Carl Sagan
>>
>
>
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