[p2p-research] Fwd: VW's open and transparent Factory in dresden - Germany

Mon Oct 12 02:12:32 CEST 2009

Soundbyte: 'Technological unemployment via elderly crisis'
Crisis forces Japan's elderly out of retirement
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyH2d0qXcJw

When a culture believes in a career ethic and the competition is too great
to meet the standard:

Economy woes drive up Japan suicides
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV7znHv0OE0&feature=channel
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http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_thread/thread/5a1623fe018c0862/8e81f64c4b18a97b?lnk=gst&q=Free+Markets+%26+Free+Use+Commons#8e81f64c4b18a97b
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV7znHv0OE0&feature=channel>""
Due to rapid birthrate decline, the 'Information and Technology Research
Initiative' (IRT) was organised to meet these particular future demands.
According to IRT's 'Basic Organisation of IRT Research Initiative'[2], by
2025, 4.27 million workers will be needed in Japan: many of them to care for
elderly; others to replace the jobs the elderly once occupied. By 2050, at
present birth rates, nearly half of Japan's population will consist of
elderly. By this time the United States and Europe will have demographics
issues similar to that of Japan decades earlier. This means that free
markets in response to productive demand is inappropriate in the long run.
Backed by the University of Tokyo and a plethora of corporate sponsorship,
IRT intends to meet demands with the deployment of 3.53 million general
purpose robots. Based on this information, it does not require much economic
imagination to recognize that if general purpose robots are made to perform
"the problem of insufficient labor," and we hope for obvious reasons the
practices of producing these devices become public knowledge, the need for
labor at all and the work ethic itself will come into further question.
""

Go Fernhoutian on dat ;p

Nathan

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree with you totally on this, Michel.  I work 60-70 hours a week..am
> paid for 37.5 out of which I work maybe 20.  Then I work on a PhD.  I am not
> seeking more liesure or even more pay.  I am seeking less stress, greater
> relevance, and more meaningful interactions.  Work is fun.
>
> R.
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> It seems to me such a debate is too simplistic ... while we could
>> conceivably technically reduce working hours in a market economy .. (given a
>> miraculous strength of social movements), it keeps quiet about people like
>> me, and presumably quite a bit of you, who 'work' more than ever ... only
>> that for us, passionate producers, the whole notion of work and leisure has
>> lost its meaning ...
>>
>> we can see from the experience of france with the 35 hour week, that even
>> that demand, which had clear advantages in some fields, no longer carries
>> public support ... if anything, the mentality seems to be that 'people are
>> not working enough' ...
>>
>> so I don't see this as a realistic way to approach the issue ... except
>> for a small grouping of people ...
>>
>> Michel
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Dante-Gabryell Monson <
>> dante.monson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Paul :
>>>
>>>> Anyway, by the above analogy, we should be able to all work two hour
>>>> days if demand is limited back to 1950s levels.
>>>
>>>
>>> a german friend ( hes nickname is "Darwin Dante" ) argues that 5 hours a
>>> week of work are enough :
>>>
>>> http://www.5-stunden-woche.de/index.2htm.htm
>>>
>>> although if I understood properly, hes argument goes towards reducing the
>>> number of hours each of us works, to enable all to have access to ( paid )
>>> work... :-o
>>>
>>> the google translation from hes german version seems to be more precise :
>>>
>>>
>>> http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=y&u=http://www.5-stunden-woche.de/index.1htm.htm&sl=de&tl=en&history_state0=&swap=1
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> I also feel like comparing hes argument with "Intermediate Technologies"
>>>
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appropriate_technology#Intermediate_technology
>>> *
>>> *
>>> *" **Proponents argue that such items can be easily purchased and used
>>> by poor people, and according to proponents can lead to greater **
>>> productivity* <http://wiki/Productivity_%28economics%29>* while
>>> minimizing **social dislocation* <http://wiki/Social_alienation>*. Much
>>> intermediate technology can also be built and serviced using locally
>>> available materials and knowledge. This intermediate technology is conducive
>>> to decentralization, compatible with the laws of ecology, gentle in its use
>>> of scarce resources, and designed to serve the human person instead of
>>> making him the servant of machines. "*
>>>
>>> although Darwin Dante's examples include high productivity technologies,
>>> and might perhaps not solve the social dislocation issue.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> *
>>> *
>>> *It seems to me that p2p open manufacturing is a form of **intermediate
>>> / appropriate technology*<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appropriate_technology#Intermediate_technology>
>>> *.*
>>>
>>>
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