[p2p-research] Fwd: VW's open and transparent Factory in dresden - Germany

[Ryan Lanham]

I agree with you totally on this, Michel.  I work 60-70 hours a week..am
paid for 37.5 out of which I work maybe 20.  Then I work on a PhD.  I am not
seeking more liesure or even more pay.  I am seeking less stress, greater
relevance, and more meaningful interactions.  Work is fun.

R.

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:

> It seems to me such a debate is too simplistic ... while we could
> conceivably technically reduce working hours in a market economy .. (given a
> miraculous strength of social movements), it keeps quiet about people like
> me, and presumably quite a bit of you, who 'work' more than ever ... only
> that for us, passionate producers, the whole notion of work and leisure has
> lost its meaning ...
>
> we can see from the experience of france with the 35 hour week, that even
> that demand, which had clear advantages in some fields, no longer carries
> public support ... if anything, the mentality seems to be that 'people are
> not working enough' ...
>
> so I don't see this as a realistic way to approach the issue ... except for
> a small grouping of people ...
>
> Michel
>
> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Dante-Gabryell Monson <
> dante.monson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Paul :
>>
>>> Anyway, by the above analogy, we should be able to all work two hour days
>>> if demand is limited back to 1950s levels.
>>
>>
>> a german friend ( hes nickname is "Darwin Dante" ) argues that 5 hours a
>> week of work are enough :
>>
>> http://www.5-stunden-woche.de/index.2htm.htm
>>
>> although if I understood properly, hes argument goes towards reducing the
>> number of hours each of us works, to enable all to have access to ( paid )
>> work... :-o
>>
>> the google translation from hes german version seems to be more precise :
>>
>>
>> http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=y&u=http://www.5-stunden-woche.de/index.1htm.htm&sl=de&tl=en&history_state0=&swap=1
>>
>> ---
>>
>> I also feel like comparing hes argument with "Intermediate Technologies"
>>
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appropriate_technology#Intermediate_technology
>> *
>> *
>> *" **Proponents argue that such items can be easily purchased and used by
>> poor people, and according to proponents can lead to greater **
>> productivity* <http://wiki/Productivity_%28economics%29>* while
>> minimizing **social dislocation* <http://wiki/Social_alienation>*. Much
>> intermediate technology can also be built and serviced using locally
>> available materials and knowledge. This intermediate technology is conducive
>> to decentralization, compatible with the laws of ecology, gentle in its use
>> of scarce resources, and designed to serve the human person instead of
>> making him the servant of machines. "*
>>
>> although Darwin Dante's examples include high productivity technologies,
>> and might perhaps not solve the social dislocation issue.
>>
>> ---
>> *
>> *
>> *It seems to me that p2p open manufacturing is a form of **intermediate /
>> appropriate technology*<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appropriate_technology#Intermediate_technology>
>> *.*
>>
>>
>>
>>
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