[p2p-research] shots in the dark/p2p article

Thu Oct 1 06:08:37 CEST 2009

Hi Ryan,

There is a lot of scientific evidence supporting the possibility of
faith-based healing. For example, in Lourdes, there is a special office,
staffed by non-catholic doctors and with stringent procedures, including a
advocate of the devil .... They have documented several dozens of cases over
the years

Of course, that doesn't mean it's the particular saint, and that he 'really
exists', but it does indicate that the body-mind has certain powers which
can be unlocked in certain circumstances ... (You may want to check out the
Future of the Body, by Michael Murphy, an extraordinary compendium of proven
above-average feats and abilities that have been scientifically documented
...)

The problem is that you cannot rely on it, it's a haphazard occurence and
cannot replace medicine ... but if you have faith, it's going to be a useful
adjunct ... My point is that it's best to have an open mind and to use both
scientific medicine (including homeopathy, osteopathy, herbal traditions and
acupuncture, which are all evidence-based, the problem is that their
theories don't fit, so they "can't be true" for those holding mechanistic
and symptom-oriented views of science) and non-traditional healers,
especially if dealing with grave illness.

My ex-wife had the Sudeck syndrome .. she went to many doctors and her leg
had become transparent ... after 6 weeks, the doctor put on a metal
contraption as the last step before amputation .. still no progress ... this
woke us up from our faith in that type of medicine and so we asked around to
find healers .... Her mother recommended a healer using photographs at a
distance ... I had zero belief in it, but we were desperate ... Over the
phone, he recommended a visual meditation regarding her leg ... That night,
the ulcers bursts, 2 days later, she was walking again, and the 4th day ...
she was dancing ...

That healer provided a trigger I guess, which allowed the bodymind to begin
its own healing process

By the way, I guess you know this, but there is a positive correlation
between the use of non-traditional medicine and educational levels ... the
higher education level, the more people rely on complementary medicine ...

Michel

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a brother who claims he has cured himself and others multiple times
> from intractable conditions with prayers to certain specific Catholic
> saints.  A prayer to that one won't work.  A prayer to this one will.  Who
> knows?  Scientists would doubt it.  He's certain.  At some juncture
> legitimacy is a personal issue.
>
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 3:34 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> non-scientific sample,
>>
>>  - as a youth I had chronic sinusitis, asthmatic bronchities ... went to
>> dozens of "scientific doctors", tried vaccines, got tonnes of anti-biotics
>> and who knows what  ... nothing helped ... until I tried homeopathy in
>> despair ... after about 2 months it was gone and has remained so for the
>> rest of my life ...
>>
>> - I had to go to a long trekking in the mountains of Krete, and was
>> worried about both my mosquito phobia and a allergy to their bites (huge red
>> bubbles, extremely itchy), this had been a problem throughout my youth ...
>> my homeopath gave me a concoction ... what happened in Krete: my neighbours
>> average about 30-40  bites each night (yes, it was hell), I had 2-3  .. and,
>> the allergy was gone for ever ... to this day, mosquite bites only register
>> as tiny little dots ...
>>
>> If you go to the homeopathic associations, entirely staffted by
>> scientifically trained doctors by the way, they have dozens of big books
>> with thousands of pages of double bind studies ... there is only one
>> condition: you have to research with the philosophy of homeopathy in mind
>> (which is: no one medication per symptom, BUT one medication towards the
>> combination of sympton and individual characteristics ...). Of course, this
>> is something pharma research, based on another paradigm, steadfastly refuses
>> to do ... (little known fact, homeopathic doctors live about a half dozen
>> years longers than classical physicians ...)
>>
>> As for chiropraxy/osteopathy ...  if it is so bad, why are classic
>> physicians using it, but just changing the name ("manual theraphy"). The
>> truth is, if you have back pain, and you go to 'scientific doctors", they
>> will shot you through with medication and you'll end up at surgery, and
>> you'll be in pain for the rest of the life ... If that is the price you want
>> to pay to keep your faith in this type of science, good luck to you ... Or
>> if you are open to your own and others' experience and testimonies, and want
>> to get rid of your backpain, while improving your posture and overall health
>> .. well, welcome to the club ...
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:20 AM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Paul...
>>>
>>> I am honestly not trying to pick fights, but again, homeopathy is
>>> probably the single issue after vaccines that keeps the physician
>>> bloggers busy.  They are ruthless is debunking its claims.  In third place
>>> is chiropractory.  To me the physicians' are compelling, but there are a lot
>>> of homeopathy users out there.  On the other hand, something like 15% of the
>>> US electorate wonders inconclusively if Obama is the anti-Christ.  So I'm
>>> not sure numbers make much of an argument in this case.
>>>
>>> Ryan
>>>
>>>  "Successful Use of Homeopathy In Over 2.5 Million People Reported From
>>>> Cuba"
>>>>
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